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Old 02 May 2006, 08:22 AM
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My mate has just bought one, goes quite well and seems pretty solid, Anybody had one before? anything to look out for?
Old 02 May 2006, 09:43 AM
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Have the electric window motors failed yet?
Old 02 May 2006, 09:46 AM
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Did they suffer from the coil pack issue that the TT did?
Old 02 May 2006, 06:40 PM
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Coil packs (delers replace them up to 6 years old as there a known problem)
Rear washer pipe comes away (connector under headlining near to rear hatch)
Window clips break dropping glass into door (metal modified ones used to replace standard plastic ones)

these all happened on my 2000 model after i bought it, seems the're all common
Old 02 May 2006, 06:59 PM
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generally on golfs and passats I have come across people encountering a few problems two of which are CV joints giving way and as someone has mentioned the electric window motors failing.

My brother has a passat for work and his drivers side window motor went. Well not really the motor but the cable gets all chewed up and tangled. We had that replaced and coincidentally a week later, the passenger side one went also.
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Old 02 May 2006, 07:19 PM
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id also look out for them being soooooooo heavy you cant go round corners more than 5mph.

my old man just p/ex his 03 gt tdi in - nice to sit in and refined but probably the most boring "sports" car you can own.

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Old 02 May 2006, 07:21 PM
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hmmm just a few things then... Thought it perform,ed well but it felt heavy car when my mate was chucking it around not used to all that weight as i got clio williams!

How easy will it be to get 180 bhp from them? rememeber that the aniversary edition had 180 plus the TT came in 180 bhp strange as to why they didnt give the GTi 180 from the start!
Old 02 May 2006, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mozzaITA
How easy will it be to get 180 bhp from them? rememeber that the aniversary edition had 180 plus the TT came in 180 bhp strange as to why they didnt give the GTi 180 from the start!
Very easy, just a remap.

http://www.oettinger.de
Old 02 May 2006, 07:33 PM
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Think most things have been mentioned, most problems mentioned are fixed while the car is under warranty with re-designed parts, so shouldnt be too much of a worry. The only other problem which springs to mind is the cooling fans on climate control fitted cars.

Heres a 0-100 clip posted today by a member on Ukmkiv's.net, car is running a custom-code remap.

http://media.putfile.com/0-100-Golf-...-Custom-Code-2

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Old 02 May 2006, 07:41 PM
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and most problems are from plastic parts for which the replacements are metal.......vw build quality eh lol

nicest everyday car ive seen interior wise but im afraid thats about it for me. not much gti about them at all
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Originally Posted by mozzaITA
How easy will it be to get 180 bhp from them? rememeber that the aniversary edition had 180 plus the TT came in 180 bhp strange as to why they didnt give the GTi 180 from the start!

Try Jabbasport http://www.jabbasport.com depending on which model it is it might give well over 200 horsies. just identify the model on the web site & it will give you the answer you need. If you can stretch to it go for a custom re map as this gives time on the rolling road which is handy to find any other problems & worth the little extra it costs
Old 03 May 2006, 09:26 AM
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and does no1 esle find it alarming the amount of plug in and away you go ecu upgrades there are for the 1.8T engine???
Old 03 May 2006, 09:42 AM
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The misses has one and personally I find it a nice car to drive, a lot more relaxed/refined than the scoob as you would expect. There not sports cars though by any stretch of the imagination, to heavy and soft. As above the rear washer fails and ours had a problem with the front calipers. Which eventually VW replaced along with the disks which had worn as a result of the caliper issue. If like ours is has the 2 part BBS alloys they'll be in a right state as the outer rim was polished alloy with a coat of laquer which didn't like salt at all!! Easly refurbed though. Coil pack issue will have been sorted by the dealer if the car had this problem.
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The 150bhp and 180bhp versions of the 1.8T are basically the same engine. A simple remap will see either up to 215 - 220 bhp. To get more you have to start changing things................but there are some vRS and 4x4 Octavias (same engine) running about with 350 - 400 bhp

Getting that power down in a FWD car will be fun
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Originally Posted by matchmaker
The 150bhp and 180bhp versions of the 1.8T are basically the same engine. A simple remap will see either up to 215 - 220 bhp. To get more you have to start changing things................but there are some vRS and 4x4 Octavias (same engine) running about with 350 - 400 bhp

Getting that power down in a FWD car will be fun
My 4x4 Octavia is running 350 but thats with a few internal mods & a bigger Turbo etc, Internals as std are safe for about 330 bhp so a remap to 215-220 wont strain the internals. If you have a custom map & keep the torque down you should also get reosnable life from the std clutch
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this thread made me laugh,

I have a TT 225 and a golf gti T, I had the window motors playing up on the golf and the coil packs go on the TT.

agree with the comments above apart from the power to be had from
chipping.

The standard turbos arent that big and will struggle to go much above 205bhp. The older car which cannot be mapped via the obd2 will max out at 195 like mine.

I have driven examples of both my cars with £200 upsolut chips and the difference is astounding.

Best performance mod per pound I have ever seen, particularly on the 225 TT.
Old 03 May 2006, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam M
this thread made me laugh,

I have a TT 225 and a golf gti T, I had the window motors playing up on the golf and the coil packs go on the TT.

agree with the comments above apart from the power to be had from
chipping.

The standard turbos arent that big and will struggle to go much above 205bhp.
So how come my Octavia vRS with a remap, CAI, downpipe and exhaust produces 231 bhp/251lbf on a standard K03 turbo

Plenty more like mine around
Old 03 May 2006, 04:23 PM
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Another mate has a 225 tt chipped to supposidly 265bhp and in all honesty it dont feel that fast to me and i do drive it reguarly!!

How much power do these remaps loose in transmission losses?
Old 03 May 2006, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by matchmaker
So how come my Octavia vRS with a remap, CAI, downpipe and exhaust produces 231 bhp/251lbf on a standard K03 turbo

Plenty more like mine around

I don't know, bullsh1t rollers, pub talk figures?

oxygenated fuel? nitrous oxide injection?

Check the flow map for that turbo and tell me how you got 40bhp beyond ideal performance.
Old 03 May 2006, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by matchmaker
So how come my Octavia vRS with a remap, CAI, downpipe and exhaust produces 231 bhp/251lbf on a standard K03 turbo

Plenty more like mine around

Kind of agree, perhaps its the difference between a cheap map / chip & a custom remap.
My Octy 4x4 went from 150 to just over 220 with a well thought out Jabba Custom map. With the addition of a full Blue Flame Custom Exhaust (with sports cat) & a stonking great Intercooler it made & held about 250 bhp, now with the latest mods its 350.

Point to note it depends very much on the cars spec, as I posted earlier Jabba have a search element on their site where you simply identify the model exactly & it will tell you what you can expect.
Old 03 May 2006, 05:14 PM
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Second Jabba's expertise, I had a Leon Cupra remapped by them and got 225 from a standard 180, very smooth and linear in power delivery as well.
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Originally Posted by Adam M
I don't know, bullsh1t rollers, pub talk figures?

oxygenated fuel? nitrous oxide injection?

Check the flow map for that turbo and tell me how you got 40bhp beyond ideal performance.
Cant explain the technicalities, I just know it happens, other tuners are achieving similar figures.

VAG will put identical engines with identical turbos in different cars & map them differently, hence the 150 bhp & 180 bhp Octavias of a same age will both hit 220+
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Originally Posted by Stuart J
Cant explain the technicalities,
Don't worry mate, neither can Adam

Sometimes the reality of a situation will be different to what the calculated max output is, based upon a whole bunch of factors, including flow.

Adam is talking about theoretical maximums based upon calculations, not real world results which can often be better (or indeed worse)

Although the only way to be sure is an engine dyno, not a rolling road.
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thanks for that diablo.

guys, look at the US power figures. many of them are making at the wheels more power than garret show the turbos can flow air wise to make the power.

The compressor maps are not theoretical calculations, they are empirically measured flow capabilities.

if your K-03 is making 220bhp, then your engines volumetric effieciency must be way way up there as the turbo simply cannot flow that much. 205 at a push but not 220.

You sure your variant doesn't have a K-03s, because that s makes a world of difference.
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Originally Posted by Adam M
You sure your variant doesn't have a K-03s, because that s makes a world of difference.
I believe it has or rather had, in fact its sitting in the garage waiting for the Garage sale along with various other std bits off the Octy 4x4
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Originally Posted by Adam M
thanks for that diablo.

guys, look at the US power figures. many of them are making at the wheels more power than garret show the turbos can flow air wise to make the power.

The compressor maps are not theoretical calculations, they are empirically measured flow capabilities.

if your K-03 is making 220bhp, then your engines volumetric effieciency must be way way up there as the turbo simply cannot flow that much. 205 at a push but not 220.

You sure your variant doesn't have a K-03s, because that s makes a world of difference.

Adam, aside from the fact that you contradict your entire point in the first sentence of that that post, by giving examples where more power is being made than the turbo manufactures say they should be able too, the "theoretical calculation" is the power that can be generated for a given flow - not the flow capabilities which, clearly, are able to be accurately measured.

Sorry, but nothing is more annoying than someone with incomplete knowledge making sweeping statements, and dismissive ones at that, without a full understanding of all that is involved.

You of all people should know that there are genuine results out there that defy what the theory may suggest.

And then, to have the audacity to start your post with "threads like this make me laugh....."


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Originally Posted by Adam M

I have driven examples of both my cars with £200 upsolut chips and the difference is astounding.

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£200? - Got a link?
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I bought a brand new one in 2000 and ran it for 3 years and put 24k on it. Only problems i had were a failed water pump and cam belt tensioner at 19k. Apart from that it was a good car.
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Originally Posted by mozzaITA
Hi all,

My mate has just bought one, goes quite well and seems pretty solid, Anybody had one before? anything to look out for?
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Originally Posted by SCOOBYD00
£200? - Got a link?
Not sure where you can get an Upsolute map for £200, but theres a group buy on at:

http://www.uk-mkivs.net/forums/thread/509649.aspx

This is £250, and at Preston though, but there are some contacts on the first post.

Chris
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