VXR lapping the ring in 8.05BTG
17 March 2006, 09:38 AM
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VXR lapping the ring in 8.05BTG
Thought you might be interested in this video of an Astra VXR lapping the ring with a 8.05BTG. That would equate to an 8.30 full lap. Not bad considering the STi laps in 8mins 24......
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5&q=opel+astra
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5&q=opel+astra
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17 March 2006, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
...and a lot lighter then most scoobs.
This VXR is modified and as such, can we really compare it to a scoob fairly??
17 March 2006, 10:06 AM
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It's fast but when it comes down to it the VXR doesn't have as much potential as a scoob and tourque steers excessivly, no doubt its an amazing time though 
17 March 2006, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by alloy
It's fast but when it comes down to it the VXR doesn't have as much potential as a scoob and tourque steers excessivly, no doubt its an amazing time though
....elaborate??
17 March 2006, 10:11 AM
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I was thinking of the VX220, re: post about weight.
Should have watched the vid 1st!
Good vid though, wish I had a film crew in a helicopter following me and and an empty track is always nice!
Should have watched the vid 1st!
Good vid though, wish I had a film crew in a helicopter following me and and an empty track is always nice!
17 March 2006, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
....elaborate??
Scoobs have been around for a while so there is a vast choice of aftermarket goodies to get release those extra horses and stiffern up the chassis, where as the VXR currently doesn't have many options and i dont believe the FWD could effectivly sustain more power. Where as the Scoob and it's awd will be able to lay more power down and attain more grip making it a potentially faster and more sturdy car over the majority of roads than the VXR.
The VXR Delivering 237bhp of turbocharged power and 236lb ft of torque through the front wheels is never an easy task. The Astra VXR does need to be handled with care. It will surprise you. Torque-steer is very evident, but controllable with care, and you need to learn the knack for getting the best acceleration. Using a heavy right foot will not allow the front wheels much chance to find grip under hard acceleration in first, second and third gears. Use first gear to get moving, slip it briefly into second and then use the maximum torque on hand from 2,400rpom onwards to whisk you away from the competition. SOURCE http://www.motorbar.co.uk/astravxr.htm
Clarified by JC when he tost drove it!
Where as in my scoob i plant my foot it grips and sends me off down the track like there is no tomorrow
17 March 2006, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Gutmann pug
Havent watched the video myself yet, but heard its good so posted it. In what way is the VXR modified out of interest Senior?
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If it isn't, then it shows that the VXR is the muts nuts.
Though again, need an STi to be driven by a like driver.
17 March 2006, 10:20 AM
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17 March 2006, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by alloy
Scoobs have been around for a while so there is a vast choice of aftermarket goodies to get release those extra horses and stiffern up the chassis, where as the VXR currently doesn't have many options and i dont believe the FWD could effectivly sustain more power. Where as the Scoob and it's awd will be able to lay more power down and attain more grip making it a potentially faster and more sturdy car over the majority of roads than the VXR.
The VXR Delivering 237bhp of turbocharged power and 236lb ft of torque through the front wheels is never an easy task. The Astra VXR does need to be handled with care. It will surprise you. Torque-steer is very evident, but controllable with care, and you need to learn the knack for getting the best acceleration. Using a heavy right foot will not allow the front wheels much chance to find grip under hard acceleration in first, second and third gears. Use first gear to get moving, slip it briefly into second and then use the maximum torque on hand from 2,400rpom onwards to whisk you away from the competition. SOURCE http://www.motorbar.co.uk/astravxr.htm
Clarified by JC when he tost drove it!
Where as in my scoob i plant my foot it grips and sends me off down the track like there is no tomorrow
The VXR Delivering 237bhp of turbocharged power and 236lb ft of torque through the front wheels is never an easy task. The Astra VXR does need to be handled with care. It will surprise you. Torque-steer is very evident, but controllable with care, and you need to learn the knack for getting the best acceleration. Using a heavy right foot will not allow the front wheels much chance to find grip under hard acceleration in first, second and third gears. Use first gear to get moving, slip it briefly into second and then use the maximum torque on hand from 2,400rpom onwards to whisk you away from the competition. SOURCE http://www.motorbar.co.uk/astravxr.htm
Clarified by JC when he tost drove it!
Where as in my scoob i plant my foot it grips and sends me off down the track like there is no tomorrow
May I be blunt and say "you don't use 1st or 2nd on the Ring so who gives a **** about torque steer".
17 March 2006, 10:20 AM
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Clarified by JC when you test drove it..............pmsl ..... you think he can drive do you
Sends you off down the track ....... I assume you are talking about a drag strip now?
Sends you off down the track ....... I assume you are talking about a drag strip now?
17 March 2006, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Gutmann pug
Clarified by JC when you test drove it..............pmsl ..... you think he can drive do you
Sends you off down the track ....... I assume you are talking about a drag strip now?
Sends you off down the track ....... I assume you are talking about a drag strip now?
So we have got to a point that a VXR is 19 secs quicker than an STi with drivers of like ability.
Rock on Vauxhall !!
17 March 2006, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
OPC = Opel Performance Centre.
http://www.opel-opc.com/
http://www.opel-opc.com/
http://www.vxr-vauxhall.co.uk/
The car is not modified.
17 March 2006, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
....yeah and that. lol
So we have got to a point that a VXR is 19 secs quicker than an STi with drivers of like ability.
Rock on Vauxhall !!
So we have got to a point that a VXR is 19 secs quicker than an STi with drivers of like ability.
Rock on Vauxhall !!
The VXR is 8.05BTG therefore approx 8min 30 FULL LAP..
I hope that clarifies things.
17 March 2006, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
I think VXR = UK market and OPC = Euro market.
Either way looks like its a standard model.
Gearing, I only use 3rd for two corners, everything else is 4th, 5th and 6th!
Either way looks like its a standard model.
Gearing
, I only use 3rd for two corners, everything else is 4th, 5th and 6th!
17 March 2006, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
May I be blunt and say "you don't use 1st or 2nd on the Ring so who gives a **** about torque steer".
JC maybe is not the best driver, but his experience with the cars he has drivern gives him an edge over others as to what he can and can not say. I'm not saying he is the definitive guide, but his opinion shouldn't be rubbished!
17 March 2006, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by alloy
I'm not talking track cars but in real life then you will need 1st and 2nd and it will tourque steer!
JC maybe is not the best driver, but his experience with the cars he has drivern gives him an edge over others as to what he can and can not say. I'm not saying he is the definitive guide, but his opinion shouldn't be rubbished!
JC maybe is not the best driver, but his experience with the cars he has drivern gives him an edge over others as to what he can and can not say. I'm not saying he is the definitive guide, but his opinion shouldn't be rubbished!
As for 2nd gear - well you only get torque steer if you plant it, so just be a bit more progressive with 2nd gear. People say "it has too much power for a FWD". Well, only if you plant your foot to the floor. If you only depress the accelerator say 80% you'll get perormance AND no torque steer, then into 3rd and away you go.
Learn the car, seems the guy in the VXR has done just that and showed that a over powered FWD torque steery car with a griffin for a badge is quikcer than an STi on the ultimate circuit to test that theory.
How times have changed.
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17 March 2006, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by alloy
but his opinion shouldn't be rubbished!
Thread isnt about a road car its about a very very quick time for a front wheel drive 240bhp road car
17 March 2006, 10:34 AM
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Hmm - A few points first off it does a flying lap in 8.36. Yes it does BTG in 8.05 but he's had a huge run up as he goes past the bridge so not directly comparable to times achieved on open days.
Secondly its a whole load of clips cut together with a timer overlaid on top. Not what I'd call reliable. For example it has several shots from cameras on both rear corners sticking out looking down the flanks, but there are clearly no cameras there from the exteranl shots (and if youre going for a decent time you wouldnt put them there anyway).
Thirdly, as hes going up kesselchen the shot of the speedo is 200kmh which is entirely resasonable and what you would expect. He then goes round Angstkurve (labeleed as Klostertal on the vid) at 180kmh which seems way too fast to me, that's 112.5mph whereas on the faster spec c vid hes going 103mph. I dont think an Astra can corner 9mph faster on that corner!
Not saying the Astra isnt a quick car that would be quicker than a WRX (which I think it probably would be) but I think that video is misleading.....
Secondly its a whole load of clips cut together with a timer overlaid on top. Not what I'd call reliable. For example it has several shots from cameras on both rear corners sticking out looking down the flanks, but there are clearly no cameras there from the exteranl shots (and if youre going for a decent time you wouldnt put them there anyway).
Thirdly, as hes going up kesselchen the shot of the speedo is 200kmh which is entirely resasonable and what you would expect. He then goes round Angstkurve (labeleed as Klostertal on the vid) at 180kmh which seems way too fast to me, that's 112.5mph whereas on the faster spec c vid hes going 103mph. I dont think an Astra can corner 9mph faster on that corner!
Not saying the Astra isnt a quick car that would be quicker than a WRX (which I think it probably would be) but I think that video is misleading.....