ADP

Hi all

My S2000 goes tomorrow

Im looking for a diesel, budget is 10 grand(could move a bit for a mega spec car)

Now I fancy an Audi 1.9tdi 130 sport (A3 or A4 ok), 10 grand buys one no probs.

However a mate has offered me a Focus tdci 115ps, 3 door, black zetec, a few options, only 9 months old with 10000 miles so basically near new.

Sounds like not a bad deal, but my concern is depreciation. Which will fair better?? Audi with 50k on clock already or Focus with 10k (Im likely to put 30k on the clock before selling)

Any thoughts or better cars? Has to be diesel I want 50mpg


Andy

dazc

Have you thought about one of those Diesel Ibiza Cupra 160 things with the brembo brakes, nearly new?

0-60 in about 7.5sec Descent spec.

Jonto

Go for the Audi, Focus will drop like a rock.

I had the same choice as you, but saved £1,500 and bought a Seat Ibiza 130 PD TDI Sport.

Had it for six months and haven't regretted it one little bit. I moved from a Clio Cup and was expecting a big dip in performance, but it wasn't to be.

Regards
Jonathan

dtriggs

I bought my 9 month old Fabia vRS for £9750 with 15000 miles. Faster than the cars you mention especially the Focus. Audi is bigger with perhaps better interior, but depends on what you need - I prefer the Fabia. Fabia has the same PD130 engine. Look at the other thread running about 'I sold my Scoob for a vRS' etc

Petem95

I was about to suggest a Fabia vRS as well, should hold its money as well as the Audi and you'd get a much newer car too.

If its between a Focus or an A4 then you dont need to think too hard do you

scoobyjimbo

[QUOTE=ADP]Hi all

My S2000 goes tomorrow


Dont bother with the dagenham dustbin, you will regret it, got with the audi a4 tdi cant go wrong.
J

03-CTR

but the focus tdci will be so much more rewarding to drive than the audi a4. the audi's a good car but a bit of a snooze-mobile.

TopBanana

Could you stretch to a 320d?

noobscoob

I would go for the VAG group car..be it the audi seat or skoda vrs fabia. awesome gti do a package for less than 500 pounds that up the bhp to 170..and masses and masses of torque. just 1 press of a dash mounted button and back to the factory settings and a million mpg

scoobyjimbo

Having driven both and now owning an a4 i dont agree, the focus is fine but nothing in comparison to the a4, as for more rewarding.. mm just seeing that blue oval on the steering wheel gets you off to a bad start IMHO. Tha audi drives well, is quality, when pushed it can be a good fun car to drive.
J

03-CTR

i guess it depends on what aspect of 'rewarding' you're referring to (i was referring to driving/handling). you're right though. personally i'd rather look at an audi on my drive but in reality i'd rather not drive one

hence i bought a lowly new shape accord which is a more exciting drive (all imho of course). nowhere near the audi in the prestige stakes but is a much better engineered car without the exuberant price tag/running costs. if we're comparing diesels though the ctdi accord is leagues ahead of everything

kbsub

I have just bought an Audi 4 1.9TDI Sport 56k one owner with full Audi s/h and can't recommend it highly enough , the cabin is such a nice place to be , the drive is very relaxing on the motorway , but its quite fun in the twisties with amazing roadholding and feels glued to the road and on top of this I get 650miles to tank ! All this for £10300 from an independant dealer with 6 months warranty. Its a steal IMO , Definatley a step up from a Focus or Golf . Drive the Focus and Audi back to back and there will be no contest

scoobyjimbo

I was referring to handing and driving also!!!.......... Sounds a bit like a honda bias here, mind you having owned a s2000 and a civit type r i can understand where you are coming from, cant agree with your thoughts on the accord though i am afraid, having driven one for 5k miles i was very pleased to get back into my a4 2.5tdi.
All opinions though at the end of the day i guess..
J

scoobyjimbo

Sounds like you had a decent deal here.. what year is it? Agree with all your opinions, great car and doesnt get enough respect IMHO as a drivers car.
J

kbsub

Its an 02 Plate , just over 3 years old , still looks and drives like new , far and away the best car I have ever had (and I've had a few ) I know the parts are expensive and its due a cambelt change soon , but it only needs servicing every 2 years and up to 30000 miles and I am averging 48 to the gallon plus it shoudn't loose to much in the next few years , I nearly bought a vRS but they don't accept a tow bar and the interior is way better in the Audi

scoobyjimbo

very nice sir... i used to get around 50mpg out of my previous 1.9tdi 130 and now get around 44 out of my 2.5tdi which i think is superb..
enjoy...
J

Tobisausage

530D sport

scoobyjimbo

good shout, lots of the old shape 5's around for that sort of money, new shape (even though it hasnt gone down well), has weakened the prices of the previous model as you might expect. Another shout would be the A6, they are actually cheaper 2nd hand than the a4...
J

frsash

I'm also looking at an oil burner for around £10k and up until now have been favoring the VW 150 Golf as it returns around 55mpg and can be chipped to around 190bhp for £500ish.
Can anybody tell me what sort of mpg the BMWs return (320d or 530d)?

scoobyjimbo

Had a 320d 150bhp 3 year ago and got around 47mpg. The new shape 320d has 163bhp so i would expect the mpg to be a little mess. As for the 530d, my mate gets around 37mpg, but bmw reckon around 44.
Those figures on your golf are very impressive, what kind of speeds do you drive on the motorways?
J

frsash

I don't actually have a Golf, these are the figures other owners have been quoting (even chipped to 190bhp) - s'pose this is going to vary depending on how hard you drive it.

ADP

Well I bought it!

Actually I didnt spend 10k at all

spent £5900 on

98 Golf GT Tdi - 55,000 miles, 2 lady owners FSH at VW, all bills, cam done, all the bits, silver, 110 bhp engine...............looks like new and mint. Im well chuffed
50 mpg, reasonable style, reasonable performance and good ish residuals

logiclee

Try and get hold of a decent tuning box, the 110 responds very well to tuning boxes and you should get in the region of 140bhp and 200ftlb. The "Direct Fit" Dragon tuning box for the 110 is also switchable so you can have an on/off switch on the dash.
http://www.mrhoot.com/proddetail.asp?prod=TB10P

You won't believe the difference they make for a couple of hundred quid.

Cheers
Lee

brickboy

What Lee said -- also Jabba Sport and Revo Teknik's flash upgrades on the 110bhp are not expensive, about £300 gives you 130+bhp and about 230lb-ft -- in other words, you get PD130 power & torque. Lots of happy users on the MkIV Golf and Seat forums

Diesel Car magazine's website has downloadable articles about various upgrades -- Bromley (Tuning Box) and Superchips. OK, they are paid-for "advertorial" but it gives you an idea.

Surprisingly, Superchips is starting getting a good rep for diesel tuning in the VAG circles, lots of good stuff being said about their flash upgrades for the PD motors on the Golf forums.

dpb

Can you get the same sort of tuning for the french hdi 110bhp unit ...?

logiclee

http://www.mrhoot.com/peugeot_diesel_tuning.asp

Cheers
Lee

dpb

thanks..