205 as track day car without PAS
09 March 2005, 03:39 PM
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205 as track day car without PAS
Do you reckon it would be a disadvantage to have a 205 GTi 'without' PAS as a trackday car.
Which would you prefer, with or without PAS?
Which would you prefer, with or without PAS?
09 March 2005, 04:27 PM
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Its fine without PAS. I personally think it sacrifices very little steering feel even with PAS as its quite weighty etc. Turn is is quicker too.
However, there is the weight as mentioned, ideally - for a track car - I'd say non PAS with PAS rack.
So either get a PAS car and remove the assistance or buy a PAS rack and fit to a none PAS car as you'll then get the quicker rack/turn in without the assistance, best of both worlds..........
However, there is the weight as mentioned, ideally - for a track car - I'd say non PAS with PAS rack.
So either get a PAS car and remove the assistance or buy a PAS rack and fit to a none PAS car as you'll then get the quicker rack/turn in without the assistance, best of both worlds..........
09 March 2005, 07:09 PM
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Thanks for the replys' 
Scoobyjawa, how difficult/expensive is it to fit PAS to a non-PAS 205?
I'm thinking your idea might good and then I can remove the parts as and when required for the track.
Scoobyjawa, how difficult/expensive is it to fit PAS to a non-PAS 205?
I'm thinking your idea might good and then I can remove the parts as and when required for the track.
09 March 2005, 09:24 PM
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You could get all the bits to retro fit PAS from a scrappy from either a 309 GTi or a 205 GTi that had PAS.
If you pop on over to 205gtidrivers.com I'm sure there are a few threads on there discussing whats required, its not expensive!
TBH though, you won't be able to just disconnect it when you go to the track. You really have a choice of going with full time PAS, keeping the non-PAS, or substituting only the steering rack itself from the PAS car into the non-PAS car for the quicker rack/turn in (but without the assistance).
TBH for a track car I'd be inclined to stick to non-PAS with the quicker PAS steering rack fitted.......
If you pop on over to 205gtidrivers.com I'm sure there are a few threads on there discussing whats required, its not expensive!
TBH though, you won't be able to just disconnect it when you go to the track. You really have a choice of going with full time PAS, keeping the non-PAS, or substituting only the steering rack itself from the PAS car into the non-PAS car for the quicker rack/turn in (but without the assistance).
TBH for a track car I'd be inclined to stick to non-PAS with the quicker PAS steering rack fitted.......
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10 March 2005, 12:29 PM
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Mine has PAS and I have got rid of it, but I haven't tried it yet as still rebuilding the engine.
The PAS system didnt really detract from the driving sensation when pushing on, but it was actually a pain when parking as it makes loads of noises and can be notchy.
Mine's a track car as well, so I wanted to rid some of the weight associated with it, plus its one less thing to go wrong.
Its easy to remove/add (with the engine out anyway), but like Scoobyjawa says, its not something you could do all the time, you need to decide from the off.
The PAS system didnt really detract from the driving sensation when pushing on, but it was actually a pain when parking as it makes loads of noises and can be notchy.
Mine's a track car as well, so I wanted to rid some of the weight associated with it, plus its one less thing to go wrong.
Its easy to remove/add (with the engine out anyway), but like Scoobyjawa says, its not something you could do all the time, you need to decide from the off.
10 March 2005, 12:48 PM
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As far as PAS goes, the Pugs is quite well balanced, weighty and not over-assisted. (especially when compared to scoobs 
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I suppose it will depend on what wheels and tyres you have plus suspension mods (although I have driven a 205 full Dimma without PAS and didn't find it a problem, although weaker armed people might struggle).
Personally, I may be inclined to try it without as I have fairly strong arms and enjoy a good work out.
).I suppose it will depend on what wheels and tyres you have plus suspension mods (although I have driven a 205 full Dimma without PAS and didn't find it a problem, although weaker armed people might struggle).
Personally, I may be inclined to try it without as I have fairly strong arms and enjoy a good work out.
10 March 2005, 12:51 PM
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Gonna have to have a think about what I actually want. At the moment the car has no PAS.
It will be used for trackdays and then the occassional ride when needed. I am contemplating leaving it as no PAS but am going to investigate the cost of the conversion and make a judgement from there
It will be used for trackdays and then the occassional ride when needed. I am contemplating leaving it as no PAS but am going to investigate the cost of the conversion and make a judgement from there
10 March 2005, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave uk blue mica
i tend to disagree with what others have said but i use my 205 for road rallying not trackdays, i recently fitted PAS to mine and it transformed how the car drives.
How much did it cost?
10 March 2005, 01:22 PM
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Do it yourself, you'll learn a lot
It consists of a shorter PAS rack, ram pipe, 2 high pressure pipes that loop underneath the car, a PAS pump which sits on the gearbox, then a PAS reservoir that sits on the bulkhead.
I would sell you my setup, but having not tried it without PAS yet, I may not like it.
It consists of a shorter PAS rack, ram pipe, 2 high pressure pipes that loop underneath the car, a PAS pump which sits on the gearbox, then a PAS reservoir that sits on the bulkhead.
I would sell you my setup, but having not tried it without PAS yet, I may not like it.
10 March 2005, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Do it yourself, you'll learn a lot
It consists of a shorter PAS rack, ram pipe, 2 high pressure pipes that loop underneath the car, a PAS pump which sits on the gearbox, then a PAS reservoir that sits on the bulkhead.
I would sell you my setup, but having not tried it without PAS yet, I may not like it.
It consists of a shorter PAS rack, ram pipe, 2 high pressure pipes that loop underneath the car, a PAS pump which sits on the gearbox, then a PAS reservoir that sits on the bulkhead.
I would sell you my setup, but having not tried it without PAS yet, I may not like it.
I will get motivated when the sun/warm weather starts arriving though.
10 March 2005, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by miles25
Did you do it yourself or get somebody else to fit it??
How much did it cost?
How much did it cost?
i done it myself, quite easy to do actually, i bought the whole lot, rack, pipes, pump, reservoir bottle and all the bolts etc for £100 off a guy on 205gti drivers.com and fitted it all in a few hours, its a loads closer rack cos the standard ones are something stupid like 4 turns lock to lock and the PAS rack is about 2.4, if your after a closer rack without using the power just fit a rally quick rack, £120 new
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