Midmotorsteve

so on a budget of £5K what has or can easily (cheaply +1K) have more than 205 bhp per ton, it also has to be sensible. Sensible means doors and a roof. Reliable should also be mentioned, not interested in uno ie's with the boost wound to idiot setting.

The Chief

A stripped out and re-mapped 200SX

TheBigMan

Clio Williams.

sammyh

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well you could get a GT turbo but they are getting hard to find or a 205 GTI with a Mi 16 and throttle body conversion and still have change from your 5k

TaviaRS

Uno Turbo, Punto Turbo, Renault 5 Turbo, Renault 11 Turbo, Fiesta Turbo, hell you could probably get a ropey Scoob for that.

Jay m A

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Basically a TD05 scoob (pre97 classic) with a full decat, filter and scoobyecu will give you 280 bhp, and they weigh - what 1350kg? maybe less. Thats 207 per ton

sandycam

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Last time i looked clio only had about 130bhp per tonne, if i remember right although its probably still a damn fine car

skiddus_markus

Old WRX or Evo(just about get one for the pric),GTiR.Pretty much anything Jap and turbocharged.

Dream Weaver

My 205 Mi16 should be 205.55bhp/ton when its finished, and will have cost around £5k

ScoobyJawa

love the pointing out of the ".55"

Dream Weaver

BrettC

Saab 9000 2.3 Turbo Aero after a quick trip to Abbott Racing.

Cosworth427

Nissan 200 sx and 300 ZX with basic modifications
MK3 Supra, basic modifications
Sierra Sapphire Cosworth with stage 1-2?

There's a raft of other daily drivers I'm sure can make enough power for that target set within budget.

talizman

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Since when did an Uno Turbo, Punto Turbo, Renault 5 Turbo, Renault 11 Turbo, Fiesta Turbo, have more than 205bhp per tonne??? .

Billgtt

My mate bought one of his 5 gtt's for £200. A few little tweeks by himself that cost nothing, stripped it out, and the end result was a 700kg ish car with 170bhp and 200lb/ft torque at a bar of boost. And before anyone bangs on about it being unreliable it did 5 track days, 2 runs at Santa pod and was given death on the roads for 50k miles

VWscooby

An early import scoob with de-cat makes 216BHP/ton....well mine does anyway!!!!

Rich D

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g33k


Any ideas when it's gonna be back running Simon?

Went to look at a 205 Mi16 with my mate last weekend actually. It's his old 1.6 GTi that my other mate from work bought off him a couple of years ago and did the Mi conversion, but it started smoking (as they do) and he decided he's get a newer car (he bought my Clio Cup off me) and then re-build the 205 in his spare time and use it as a track/rwyb car...

Sadly this never happened and he just left it in storage, he loves the Cup and said there's no need to spend the time/money on the 205 so it's just been neglected.

But, my mate Scott was talking to me the other week about how he missed his old 205 and I told him about that Al was considering selling it as he wasn't likely to do anything with it. So one thing lead to another and Scott's ended up buying it back, then we're gonna sort the engine, mod it and get it back on the road!

Might need some tips/advice mate...

Rich D

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They do when you crank the boost up... for a few hours at least...

Midmotorsteve

cheers guys, thing is, like i said reliable, i'm sure a gtt uno i.e. etc could make it, but sure as hell for not long, i wouldn't risk doing a cross country on boost trip in any, i bet they wouldn't last long (a mate hads a gtt it was rapid but on coming to visit me after i moved out of town a 110 mile trip he'd need 3 stops to let it cool off on the way unless he turned the boost back down). So realistically a scooby sounds to be the most likely candidate as being a useable daily driver that can deliver. I was interested to see what else is out there on a budget that can do it, my car does MR2 turbo, weighed on wednesday as 1250kg (full tank etc) and dyno'd a month before as 255bhp.

I don't believe for a minute that a clio williams can, a 172 only has 154 bhp per ton going by the ownersclub.

My guessing said 200sx, scooby, MR2, GTi-R, cossie, old evo. Celicas out of the game because it'd need forged pistons to deliver and be reliable.. it is a silly short list I was hoping someone would throw up a forgotted gem

Reason i asked was the other half said its about time i got a new car (i have no intention of changing) but i said it would need to be as fast, as reliable and as cheap, the list i could come up with was stupidly short.

must admit i never thougt of the big power cars like supras as i associate them with huge running costs.

Dream Weaver

Rick, car is getting there slowly.

We moved to Wheatley Lane just before Christmas, so it took a back seat for while, but its now been moved from my folks into its garage, and a small workshop area has been built.

Busy fitting new buckets at the moment, then the actual car is done.

Decided to fully rebuild the engine, so next job is to clean that all up, crank regrind, liner re-hone, then rebuild it.

After that, get it fitted, wire up the TB's and Emerald then pray it all works.

PM me if you fancy having a look at any time.

BrettC

Midmotorsteve,

The Saab Aero is very reliable (so long as it is correctly serviced etc and treated with a bit of respect) and with a potential 290-300 bhp and weighing about 1350-1400 it is way over your target bhp/tonne figure.
I have known of a few with this level of performance that were still going strong with nothing major to report and with well over 200,000 miles. (beware of Auto boxes though)

Ive not owned an Aero myself but my last 9000 2.3T had 260 bhp (only about 195ish bhp/tonne) but it had 320 ft/lb of torque and to be honest this was far more important to me than the bhp figure when it was on the dyno. I sold it with 200,000 miles and the last i heard it was still going strong.

This sounds like I work for saab or something, I don't. I'm not trying to sell you one or anything just pointing out that you get a hell of a lot of car for your money with good tuning prospects too.....oh no I'm doing it again.

CustomScoobyIOM

Saab is superb I had a 270bhp 9-5 auto.

FWD is cracking fun with that!

philcrombie

hmm - the 9k Aero weighs in at 1450+kgs (much less than the 9-5 granted which is a monster 1750kgs!)
The first 290/300 bhp is good value - after that its a lot of cash to jump up a level (I/C, turbo, injectors,clutch etc).
Need the full 300bhp to make the target here.... and although its hilarous to drive its not a real 'sports car' as such. (I have one and love it!)

PS - talking kerb weights here which includes fuel and driver.

BrettC

Stand corrected about the Aero weight. I thought the Aero was a little lighter than a regular 9000 but like I said, I stand corrected. Even so to get to the 300bhp level will not cost the earth and as you can pick up nice low mileage ones now for about £3500-4000 it will leave quite a bit of 'fun' money!

I dont agree about the not a real sports car comment though. Once springs, shocks, polybushes, anti roll bars have been fitted this big car can out handle lots of things that are catagorised as sports cars. As well as being very practical and relatively good on fuel. If you check out Abbott's site you will see their success in motor sports over the years. If a car can be made good enough for an actual series rather than just the odd track day surely it can be classed as not only a performance car but also a sports car. I mean if an mgf is a sports car then come on!

Sorry gone a bit off topic here.

philcrombie

was still on topic (just)... sorry I forgot to say 'standard spec' for 'sports car' statement. You need about £1k to get it up to 290/300bhp and another £1k in suspension, bushes and brakes, for hedge avoidance purposes (this is a must!!!) I have abbott springs, strut brace, konis, poly bushes, rear ARB upgrade, fast road pads, brembo discs etc and its a completely different car.

Keeping on topic I'd say that to make it a great all rounder you need to spend £2k (if you fit stuff yourself) on the Aero to get truly driveable car and you can pick one up for about £3k (sob) depending on age mileage etc.
Its still a 'big' car though and is not to all tastes.

BrettC

Phil.

Nice car mate.

I'm tempted to get an Aero myself.

No more saab stuff from me MMS! (skulks back off to saabscene)

Cosworth427

If you can find a MK3 Supra or 300ZX with an aftermaket exhaust already installed, then it will cost you another £1 in mods for over 300 HP for the Supra! You can make more power with the cost of a decent boost controller/boost jet for the 300ZX.

Running costs are no worse than anything with emphasis towards performance. A 2 litre 300 HP car will drink as much as a 3 litre 300 HP car. Insurance? Hardly a tenner between these cars with most decent insurance companies.

philcrombie

hey that's cheating... by the far the best value will always be to buy an already modded car especially in the price range mentioned as you end up spending large % of the car's value to meet the bhp/tonne target.

Billgtt

He had problems then . Gtt's can run a fair amount of boost on standard internals day in, day out

cheddar bob

stage 1 or 2 Pulsar/Sunny GtiR?