gatty

simple question how good are these modded cossies exactly?

minor_threat

simple answer, sort of depends on how much they've been modded.

Redkop

A cossie is an engine, so what car are you meaning?

Sapph 2wd?
Sapph 4wd?
Sierra 3 dr?
RS500?
Esc Cosworth?

ex-webby

I have a modded RS500..... some 500+BHP of it!

Regards,
Shaun.

gatty

well any really? dont want to make a song and dance over it but can a say 450 bhp escort take on a type 25 around a track? straight line etc...

Redkop

Esc Cos will **** it
370-380bhp Esc will **** it

HTH

Redkop

Yours will be regarded slow next year Shaun Andy finally made effort to make a start on his

ex-webby

Gatty,

In all reality (and I have to be honest with myself here) Scoobies are pretty much untouchable out of the box on handling. You could of course spend £1k's on an Escort to get it to keep up with a production Scooby, but please remember you are comparing a 10+yr old car and design against a brand new Scooby.

A well set-up Scoob will mash an Escort Cossie....... but then a well set-up Escort Cossie can and will mash a Scoob. Out of the box the Scoob is better. I had a 340bhp Escort and my old mates 22b 280bhp still kept up with me. There are more better setup Scoobs then there are Cossies if you ask me.

They are all superb cars.... just taken from different era's.

Regards,
Shaun.

ex-webby

lol @ Lynne

Mine is slow when I dry it.

Regards,
Shaun.

hades

Can a 450bhp car beat a 350bhp car which is a little bit heavier, in a straight line? Shouldn't take rocket science

As for a 450bhp escort on a track - same as any other 450bhp car on a track, the tyres, suspension and brakes will make a lot more difference than ±100bhp. With no suspension or brake mods etc to the escort, my money would be on the type 25 (which is essentially a pre-modded car). Heavily uprate the escort brakes, suspension etc, it would win. Same as any other car vs another - give one more power, sort out the suspension and brakes etc, it will be faster. Badge/image/number of owners posting on bulletin boards will make no difference at all.

How long before this turns into another one of those threads?

Spoon

Modified Sierras' with 500+bhp can get their interior lights on too around corners.

Not managed it with a Ruubasuu, yet.

craigdmcd

iTrader: (2)

A scooby will always whip a cossie through the twisties, they have naturally better chassis set up because of their weight distribution, but it is far easier to get large amounts of power for down the straights out of a cossie for a far more modest outlay. Had both makes through the years, love both for their own identities

CheeRS
Craig

chrisp

My only comment about big power cars is how they drive. It okay to have 400/500/600 bhp but if nothing happens until they reach 5000rpm its a bit of a waste. Its not about about bhp its more having sheds loads of torque at 2000-3000rpm so the thing pulls out of corners. Sitting waiting for the car to spool ups its turbo while a 1.2 hatchback flys off into the distance is not a great feeling.

This is where a good mapper makes the money giving the best of both worlds.

Spoon

Chrisp- That's why you have 5 gears!

chrisp

not much good if you are in first though at the lights

Spoon

That's what revs or a line lock are for.

Spoon

Keeping a group A engine at 4000rpm was never a problem.

The problem started after 4000 keeping it going forward on the road.

chrisp

Always secretly wanted an escort cossie and never got round to owning one. Trouble is most people are hanging onto them now and want serious money for them.

Redkop

No-one would be foolish enough hades to track a 450bhp cossie without the necessary ugrades of brakes / suspension and whatever else is necessary. Mike Rainbird's esc cos is only 450bhp and very few can stay with it.

There again, the main criteria rests on how good the driver is You can have a big mega bhp car, but if you're a crap driver, it doesn't matter how much power you have.

Redkop

Correct

john banks

chrisp, I think that is where cc, ball bearing turbos, variable valve timing and twin scroll turbines all collude with low vehicle weight to make our mythical ideal turbocharged engine installation, which is virtually lag free, tough, light, and has low centre of gravity installed in the car. So easy to ruin all this in the pursuit of top end power IMHO. That isn't a knock to Cossies BTW, I find it incredible how well some of them spool up impressively large turbos using only 2.0 litres

chrisp

Big lottery win and an escort cossie would be in my ultimate garage

Redkop

Most of the current cossies running 450bhp and over now are ditching the laggy T34s and T4s and using the GT35 and GT40 turbos now.

ex-webby

I've said it before and I will say it again..... turbo lag is an excuse for people that dont select the correct gear!!! I don't have any lag on my T4 if in 1st gear...... I don't have any traction either, but that is something else! lol

Regards,
Shaun.

Redkop

Do you ever get out of 1st Shaun? I hear you never go over 6 on your 12 stage boost setting too

Spoon

Who on earth, if they had a sense of adventure, would want to change a T4E?

Redkop

Raw power, more and more of the cossies are going for at least 650bhp now + NOS with new technology that has been developed for them over the last 18 months or so.

ex-webby

Lynne,
I dont get out of the garage!

The last time I had it on full boost (34psi) was on the M5 in the wet and the back wheels lite up in 4th gear! I now run on vacuum

Regards,
Shaun.

Redkop

I must admit I am not looking forward to helping Andy do the running in of his, when it gets back.. I feel much happier with 4wd

john banks

Turbo lag as an excuse for not using the gearbox properly, I know what you mean, but don't you therefore find it a bit on/off and difficult to control than normally aspirated of similar performance? A relatively lag free installation would have you with a far more linear torque to throttle position response across a wider rev range and might help some of your traction issues, and let you use more of your power more of the time, as well as keeping both hands on the wheel and having more flexibility, plus less time off the power changing gear? Huge boost coming late in a small engine in the wet is fun or scary depending on your views on Armco and body panels - car or personal? Can more than 2 bar of boost ever be throttle steerable on the road in the wet except in the hands of a driving god?