a 3.6 engine two turbos and 0.8 bar boost is what you need!

 

It was kind of rhetorical and shouldn't have had a question mark really.

Where as it's great to watch the development of big power I can't help thinking it's a little sad to substitute a large turbo for a smaller one purely from a "hoot" point of view. NOS also doesn't really appeal to me although again, I can see the reasoning.

Of course it's better for driveability but so are modern rally cars, which also don't hold a candle in comparison to watching the brutish antics of Group B for sheer pleasure and entertainment.

Plus when you have a genuine Group A cossie engine with a T4E (not T4) and all the other genuine parts, I suppose you are loathed to change it's authenticity.

You're better off starting afresh.

 

Would you dare to turn PSM off in the wet and play in such an expensive car though Hawk?

 

so a cossie £ for £ is more whatsit? more power for your dosh can a 450 bhp car be really reliable? its just that i saw one going for 15k at just sport .org in green the thought of it seemed tempting

 

John- All you say is correct.

My Sapph wasn't a car to drive, it was a workout. You could easily spin the wheels in 4th on demand. Your left hand was on and off the gear lever like you were bringing it off.

You always had to plan your overtaking more than you think because once you'd hit 4000rpm there was no going back.

You never knew how it was going to react, hardly safe as safe goes but then it wouldn't have earned the name "the Giggle car".

But boy was it fun to wrestle with for an hour at a time.

 

Gatty - Reliability is always down to who built it.

My car was ran on the road since 1990 with no reliability issues whatsoever. It had to be one of the first with big power, if not the first.

It however was serviced properly.

 

ive turned is off in the day and ........... spun it when I decieded to over take a slower car


so the answer to your original quote is NO NO NO NO NO and in the day maybe when I learn to drive

 

My cousin's cossie will happliy beat my scoob. Mainly beacuse he's running an extra 60-80bhp over me. But I always get off the mark first because he keeps smoking his clutch

Although, I wish I could keep ahead of him....I'm getting rather fed of wiping the oil spray off my windscreen

(and yes - it is a new engine : )

 

Probably minus a catch tank. He wouldn't smoke a paddle clutch either.

 

nah...6.75litres and one huge ***** scania jobbie

 

I have had my Esc Cos for 4½ years now, the only unreliability it's had [if you can call it that] was a fried lambda sensor caused by the turbo getting very hot and another time, totally destroying a gearbox on track at Dono. I have done at least 25 trackdays in the last 18 months and my car is currently running about 370bhp [maybe 380] at 28psi, after the last remap I had done.

The main criteria is, if you get a cossie, use a well known, reputable tuner to set it up and map it.

 

It already has a catch tank. Along with other breather mods (including a balance pipe going from one side of the cam cover to the other - one of GGR's odd ideas).

His 1st clutch was a standard one - God knows what he was thinking if he expected that to hold up - 5th gear on-boost was useless

 

I have got an AP 6 paddle clutch on mine.

 

At the last sprint meeting (standing start, bends+straights time trial) that I organised, Steve Scott's Escort Cosworth took about six seconds (of a seventy second lap) out of a very very fast and well sorted evo. That evo would have probably taken around quite a few secs out of a T25.

However comparing modded cars is always a bit of a daft thing to do since the car that will be quicker will be the one with the most, and best sorted, modifications.

For track purposes, the ultimate way to mod the scoob has got to be to crush it and then drive an F1 car in its place. Thats pretty extreme modification though - naturally I would at least keep on component from the scoob, just so I could claim it was "modded"

 

Steve Scott is my tuner

 

that must be like a switch Redkop

on
off

sod that in a traffic jam
triple plates are bad enough

 

It's a PITA IPKIS

 

although i could be tempted on a cossie

a nice original un molested RS500 3 door in that blue/grey colour they did
i think it was moonstone or something

only made a few in that colour

 

I have some cracking pics of a banana shaped moonstone RS500 being straightened on the jig from days gone by - this was in the days when insurers weren't so eager to write cars off

The owner used to mash it on a regular basis

And we just kept straightening it.

 

Ahh now I understand!

Judging from what I've seen, Steve seems to know how to put an Esc Cos together rather nicely His car is a bit rapid, and he knows how to pedal it too!!!

Steve getting some "air"

 

Do you have MSN Sprint Chief, have a very good video you would be impressed by

 

Yep my other half's RS500 had a date with a jig

 

No MSN unfortunately, but have watched that car full pace from a few yards away so I know what it is capable of...

 

Awesome, isn't it?

 

To be fair you cant really compare Steve Scotts Escort to a Scooby that joe bloggs would own. If you evened the slate up and compared a WRC spec Scoob with a WRC spec Escort, the Escort would'nt have a chance. True they can still cut it at club level though.

I still say that even a mediocre UK Scoob is more than a match for a 330bhp Escort Cossie.... and any other Cossie at that power level. The handling goes without saying, but when you consider that Stef managed a 13.0something at Santa Pod in a Pre MY2000 Scoob with an ehaust and induction kit (so what... 240bhp) and Harj managed a 12.something in a 290-300bhp WRX you get to see how well these cars really get that power down.

Respect to both car marques, but I am (painfully) realistic enough to realise that Scoobys are awesome bits of kit (even though I own a MINT 500+bhp RS500).

Regards,
Shaun.

 

To be fair Shaun, I might be wrong tho, but I don't think Steve has got the WRC engine in his Esc yet, he's using the old engine from his Focus, he certainly had the Focus engine in at Dono for Nat Day. The car wasn't at full power either, he turned the power down because of the gearing.

 

i know this isnt what this excellent thread is about but i think someone should mention the reality that owning and modding & running a slighty older cosworth sierra 2 or 4wd can be a very very expensive pastime indeed compared to the most scoobs . in my experience of owning a stage 3 2wd saff it had 3 engine rebuilds prior to my owning it then one more for the road, all costing around £2-3k. i love the saffs & the esc cos but i have to say perhaps there are too many bad mappers & tuners out there setting them up badly, but when i bought mine the ones i looked at all had folders of receipts running into many thousands which is a shame cos id love another but am too scared by the costs involved & will prob always stay with imprezas & evos

 

Not a problem when you control it electronically or even hydraulically.

 

Lynne,
That is a fair point, but the set-up of that car is something beyond the reach of most regardless of engine. Just look at Martin Hadlands Escort when he had Sean B's 330bhp engine in it..... still fended nearly all on track (all down to the setup and driver).

Met,
There are a number of reputable people out there now. The clever thing is buying a good one to begin with. I would be just as nervous about buying a modded Scoob tbh, as I have been on his scene for a fair few number of years and have known about a number of "nasty" things happen.

As with any car..... you pays your money and take your chances. If I do indeed buy another Scoob I will keep it pretty much standard. Heaven forbid.... if I wanna scare myself to death I just need to pull the 500 out.

Regards,
Shaun.

 

Met- I'd sooner own a modified Cosworth to a Modified Impreza where costs and reliability are concerned.

It sounds like in your experience you had exactly what you later describe, a badly mapped engine.