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Old 19 April 2004, 12:32 PM
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It's constantly changing, but who owns what at the moment?

For example:

VAG: VW, Audi, Skoda, Seat, Bucatti

Just interested who owns the other major car manufacturers!
Old 19 April 2004, 12:33 PM
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GM = Subaru, SAAB, Poxhall etc etc
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Originally Posted by Andy Tang
VAG: VW, Audi, Skoda, Seat, Bugatti
You missed Lambo and Bentley off that list...
Old 19 April 2004, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cupramax
You missed Lambo and Bentley off that list...
You can understand why I asked!
Old 19 April 2004, 12:40 PM
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Ford = Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover, Aston Martin, Daimler

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add to GM: Holdon, Opel, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac, GMC, Oldsmobile, Saturn, and Hummer
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Update on GM :-

Buick
Cadillac
Chevrolet
GMC
Hummer
Oldsmobile
Pontiac
Saab
Saturn
Holdon
Opel
Poxhall
Fiat
Fuji/Subaru
Isuzu
Suzuki
Old 19 April 2004, 12:45 PM
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Daimler Chrysler

Maybach
Mercedes
Smart
Dodge
Chrysler
Jeep

Bits of mitsubishi and hyundai
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BMW =

Mini
Rolls Royce
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Proton =

Lotus and probably MG Rover in the next few months
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Originally Posted by what would scooby do
Daimler Chrysler


Bits of mitsubishi
They're now the majority shareholder of Mitsubishi Motors. They'll have over 50% shareholding after restructuring.
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GM only have a substantial (but not majority) shareholding in both Fiat Group & Subaru.
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Toyota =

Toyota
Lexus
Daihatsu
Hinari
Gets
Will

You may have only heard of the first 3 but there are in fact currently 5 separate dealer networks in Japan to sell Toyota group vehicles, shortly to become 6 as they will soon establish a Lexus network here too.

Toyota:
World's most profitable auto company (US$2,000 profit per vehicle)
Second only to GM in number of vehicles sold 2003 (overtaking both Daimler Chryser and Ford in last 24 months)

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Renault own (or have a controlling stake in) Nissan.

Fiat own Ferrari (and Maserati and I think Lancia)

VAG have a (big) shareholding in Porsche hence the technology sharing
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Originally Posted by clarence
GM only have a substantial (but not majority) shareholding in both Fiat Group & Subaru.
20% in Subaru and around 13% in FIAT. Plus you can add Vauxhall to GM's tally.

It would be simpler to ask how many manufacturers remain independant.

TVR, Morgan, Caterham, Venturi and Pagani spring to mind but they are all niche players.
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Not 100% on the Ford owning Mazda, but there is some relationship there as our new Mazda 3 is based on the Ford Focus chassis as is the new Volvo V40.
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Originally Posted by Faire D'Income
20% in Subaru and around 13% in FIAT. Plus you can add Vauxhall to GM's tally.

It would be simpler to ask how many manufacturers remain independant.

TVR, Morgan, Caterham, Venturi and Pagani spring to mind but they are all niche players.
And BMW!
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Originally Posted by Skittles
And BMW!
Good point. They must be the largest independant manufacturer these days.
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Yeah Fiat do own Lancia think they own Alfa Romeo
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Originally Posted by IWatkins
Not 100% on the Ford owning Mazda, but there is some relationship there as our new Mazda 3 is based on the Ford Focus chassis as is the new Volvo V40.
Ford have a large share in Mazda, the Mazda 121 from years ago was known as the Ford Festiva in some markets, the last Fiesta was also badged Mazda 121 and the Mazda6 is a Mondeo floorpan while the Mazda2 is a Fiesta and the Mazda3 the next Gen Focus.
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Oh and GM also own Daewoo and Ssang Yong
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don't ford own kia too? i remember when i was in the usa about 10 years ago a car thats was badged as a ford fiesta but looked like a kia pride
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Thats the original Mazda 121 that Kia bought the tooling for
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Originally Posted by FASTER MIKE!!
don't ford own kia too? i remember when i was in the usa about 10 years ago a car thats was badged as a ford fiesta but looked like a kia pride
Hyundai owns Kia nowadays.
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Originally Posted by Skittles
VAG have a (big) shareholding in Porsche hence the technology sharing
I don't think VAG have any shareholdings in Porsche AG.
Technology sharing comes as a result of historical ties between Dr. Ferdinand Porsche & VW, as well as family ties between Porsche & Piech.
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
Toyota =

Toyota
Lexus
Daihatsu
Hinari
Gets
Will

You may have only heard of the first 3 but there are in fact currently 5 separate dealer networks in Japan to sell Toyota group vehicles, shortly to become 6 as they will soon establish a Lexus network here too.
I have never heard of Hinari or Gets (don't think it exists).
The 5 dealer networks are Toyota, Toyota Toyopet, Toyota Corolla, Vista, and Netz.
The Will brand is created by a venture between Toyota & a host of other companies (e.g. Matsu****a Electric), much like GM created Saturn.
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Originally Posted by FASTER MIKE!!
don't ford own kia too? i remember when i was in the usa about 10 years ago a car thats was badged as a ford fiesta but looked like a kia pride
It was the Ford Festiva, & it's one & the same as the Kia Pride.
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Don't Citroen (PSA) own Peugeot?

Funny when they compete against each other in the WRC...

Andew...
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Originally Posted by clarence
I have never heard of Hinari or Gets (don't think it exists).
The 5 dealer networks are Toyota, Toyota Toyopet, Toyota Corolla, Vista, and Netz.
The Will brand is created by a venture between Toyota & a host of other companies (e.g. Matsu****a Electric), much like GM created Saturn.
Correction, it is Netz, not Gets! (part of Toyota Industries Corp)
...and Hinari should be Hino (Hino Motors Ltd)
I blame the sake

Toyots Corolla is a specific model, not a separate brand (product of Kanto Auto Works Ltd)

Will is a Toyota brand (from Central Motor Co Ltd)
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