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Old 17 January 2004, 05:58 PM
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Ok - a question...

I'm considering changing my car - what would you guys consider to be the best new car on the market for £20k? Assume my criteria is the best real-world mix of

- Driver appeal
- Comfort
- Reasonable running costs
- Looks
- Reliability
- Toys

Just interested to hear what you think. And also, if you had £20k to spend on a car what would you buy?
Old 17 January 2004, 06:39 PM
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I'd find an extra grand and buy a new Clio V6 255...well thats what I'm doing anyway. You might get a second hand R32 Golf for that money, I haven't checked Autotrader though!
Old 17 January 2004, 06:49 PM
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If you are willing to go 2nd hand.....how about an M5...you can get them now for around the 20k mark, and they are the mutts nutts in almost every department, although the looks may be too subtle for some.....
Old 17 January 2004, 06:51 PM
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I thought decent M5's still started at around £26k?

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Old 17 January 2004, 06:52 PM
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Willing to go second hand, as long as the costs aren't too high (M5 likely to be a lot). So probably not more than a year or two old.

The main one I've been thinking about so far is a Ford Mondeo ST220 - lovely car and you get a LOT for your money.
Old 17 January 2004, 07:07 PM
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You get a lot for your money with the mondeo, but check out their value after a couple of years
Old 17 January 2004, 07:19 PM
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Mondeo Ghia X TDCI £20k ish car

16 months and 28k latter only just got 9k

Mondeo not a wise choice unless you like losing money looking at losing about 7k in 1st year on a ST220.

If you don't want a scooby then look at second hand Passat 4motion?, Audi A4? somthing that will hold a bit of its money after a couple of years

Save a bit of money and spec it up with extra toys, DVD, Sat Nav ect
Old 17 January 2004, 07:32 PM
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YA DON'T WANT A NEW CAR! Theres a mk1 ford escort RS1800 for sale in classic car weekly. It has immense driving appeal with just over 150bhp, theres a lack of comfort but you can live with it. It does 55MPG, looks like a PROPER CAR, and is the ultimate toy. youres for £20000.
Old 17 January 2004, 09:55 PM
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I'm in the same situation with a need to change from my MY99 - need a practical hatch / touring / estate or similar due to family addition + more travel to the continent.

A year old car makes sense, but I have been looking at everything from a PD 130 MK4 Golf to a 330D touring to a 2.7T Audi A6 Avant.

I have been seriously thinking about the ST220 hatchback as well. The only things that put me off are resale and quite low mpg. However, there are a company that I have used before that are offering the new updated ST220 on the road for less than £17.5k. This is a UK car sourced from a Ford dealer. Not bad at all. Espcecially since it has all the toys and the cheapest second hand example I have seen is just less than £16k. You do not see many of these on the road, so this could be a factor in holding the prices up.

Good luck with the search

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Old 17 January 2004, 11:23 PM
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5 series BMW...simply best car in its class.

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Buying a Ford would be finiancial suicide!

How about a Golf R32? Audi S3?
Old 18 January 2004, 10:20 AM
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Apparently the ST220s are holding their value a bit better than standard Mondeos. But the depreciation does worry me a bit, so I'm looking at the alternatives.

Already decided against a classic, and if I was going for something old, it'd be a Ford Sierra Cosworth 3dr on a D plate.
Old 18 January 2004, 10:26 AM
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Oh, and I haven't definitely ruled out a Scoob. What would I get for 20k?
Old 18 January 2004, 11:04 AM
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How about a focus RS?
Old 18 January 2004, 11:43 AM
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David come to some of the Cov area scooby meets if you want seducing to the scoob way of thinking..... Not sure what prices the new ones r going for but sure you'd get sumin fruity for 20 big ones
Si
Old 18 January 2004, 12:35 PM
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I've got a Focus RS right now Wanna make a small profit on it and get something else.
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I know that you daft bu**er, I was just trying to wind you up

Anything you get after the RS is gonna dissapoint in one way or another, unless it has 300Hp minimum, how about a 2nd hand skyline or supra.
Old 18 January 2004, 02:30 PM
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Nissan skyline r33 gtr, nice car, beast of a drive!
Old 18 January 2004, 07:43 PM
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what about a P1? Will be second hand, but get one with warranty left, either from remainder of 3 year, or an extended 2 year one that goes on top of original 3 years. Not many toys to play with, but u can add on with a few k left over on your budget to get some.

Expect to pay around 18-20k for a good P1. You also wont have to stump up the original hefty depreciation that seems to be the bane of all new cars.
Old 18 January 2004, 08:24 PM
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You can buy a brand new 04WRX for 19995 from a main dealer and this is 225bhp 5.5 to 60mph 145mph top end without any mods.
Old 18 January 2004, 09:06 PM
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Mercedes-Benz E55AMG.
Old 18 January 2004, 09:11 PM
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Is the RX8 any good?
Old 18 January 2004, 10:00 PM
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yes dont think you'd do badly getting one of them bad boys Have a play, i resume they have got one at the Cov Mazda dealers by Baginton & the only real way to make yer mind up is with hands, & feets, on experiance
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Old 19 January 2004, 12:57 PM
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New: Mini Cooper S with as many of the Works upgrades you can squeeze on for £20k

Nearly new:
- Honda S2000
- Golf R32
- Audi S4 or S3
- BMW 3 series with the Sport Pack (whatever the largest engine you can get for £20k)
- Alfa 156 V6 Veloce Wagon


Classic:
- Porsche 968 Clubsport
- Audi Quattro 20v

Running Costs No Object
- BMW M5 (mid 1990's shape 3.8lt)
- Merc E55 AMG/C43 AMG
- Porsche 911 - 964 shape
- Bently Mulsanne Turbo R (for a laught though it'll cost £20k a week to run!!)


If it was my money for an everyday car, I'd go for an S2000 (but I don't need rear seats).
Old 19 January 2004, 10:13 PM
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Interesting. I'm considering going to a cheaper car for a while. Ford SportKa and Puma 1.7 are both quite tempting!
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