Dark Blue Mark

Ok, so im obsessed with Jap cars

These are similar money, but you can get a newer Honda for the money. £8500 gets you a 95 GT4 or a 98 Integra.

Coming from a scoob, the GT4 has to be more similar, and also has massive tuning potential, with 240 BHP standard. The Integra has a fair bit less power, but also has a bullet proof engine. It is only 2WD and lacking in a turbo. It looks better though, an has much better interior.

Tough choice.

I probably wont buy either, as I have my eye on another scoob, but like to think about it!

MB

MooseRacer

Integra, but then I'm biased

I have always liked the look of the GT4's though.

fatherpierre

GT4, or get its faster, better looking and lighter brother the MR2 turbo.

tiggers

Get the Integra and pay a visit to a Mugen specialist when you've got the cash.

I currently own a 2000 ITR and it is a great car - I almost don't miss my Scoob - almost ;-)

Regards,

tiggers

Anonymous bob

95 GT4 Carlos sainz edition. think it was 6 or so secong 0-60!! Pretty impressive for a heavy car of that time!! Or as pierre says...Mr2 turbo, but then again..I am biased!! Unichip soon... maybe 280/300 bhp depending on how it goes!!!.

RS Grant

Integra for me please...

Then when I have the money I would go for a Supercharger Conversion which will boost the low down grunt as well as adding top end power!!

Cheers,
Grant

kenny.c

rs grant - which would you go for, the jackson racing or the vortech supercharger ??

Cosworth427

Okay, I'm gonna re-quote a post that my collegue from another messageboard has to say about the Integra Type-R. And believe me, the on paper specs is just the tip of the iceberg for this Honda.


"Let's look at the Integra Type R, the one that really defined the type.

It's basically an Integra shell, to which supports are welded into the A pillars down to the floor, then supports are welded into the suspension pickup area, and into the inner framerail area. Then the car is seam welded to handle the stresses of constant road race use.

All the suspension is beefed up with heavier duty parts to house larger, heavier duty bearings and bushings. Larger brakes are added, witha 5 lug bolt pattern vs the normal 4 lug. Larger swaybars, stiffer, lower spings are installed, as well as racing shocks.

The engines are HAND assembled with perfectly matched, balanced, and blueprinted parts for added race durability. Every peice is specially inspected. The engine gets different cam profiles and higher compression, and the variable length intake manifold is replaced with e ported single letght one. The heads are hand ported.

The trans is balanced, with heavier duty internals, and matched to the engine. The axles are beefier.

In essence, it's a factory prepared endurance racing car, and the street versions are sold to homologate the upgrades as stock, so it can race as a showroom stock race car.

The actual modifications done to the car, if you were to take your normal street car (like a normal Integra GS-R or Civic EX, or even a Camaro or Mustang) to a professional race car prep shop, would run over $30k. On top of the cost of the car. ANd you get al that done at the FACTORY for only a few grand overa normal car. It's a screaming bargain."

kenny.c

rs grant- when I still have my 92 3 dr vti, I considered the jackson kit..........the price fitted was about £3500 including the trailer service to collect and deliver the car.....forgot the company name but I remember they do prep work for rallies on honda's.

the j/son s/charger puts out an extra 40 bhp on the vti, b4 changing manifolds, exhaust etc which seems really inpressive, although I saw an ad for the vortech charger, the americans were quoting and extra 112 bhp !!!! then months later the ad changed to an extra 85 bhp for the vti. Rumour was the vortech was melting pistons.

In both cases the gains for the itr were no wear near as big as the gains on the vti, but still impressive.

RS Grant

Yeah as far as I can remember the Jackson S/Charger was proving to be pretty reliable as an upgrade, although maybe not giving as much power as the Vortech...

The Civic VTi I read about was a 98 Model which ended up with about 220bhp, it had been tested with 0-60 in 5.8/9secs and a top speed of off the clock @ 140, it was estimated that the top speed was a genuine 150mph (not 150mph on the clocks)...

If you upgraded the whole engine then the Vortech might be a better alternative but just for a near bolt on upgrade I think the Jackson is slightly better.

Cheers,
Grant

RB5_245

Wait wait wait! only the last of the GT4's were 240, as with the MR2's after '94 I had an MR2 (it's still in the gararage) and the throttle resonse is dismal and the steering feels dull. It steers quick and grips well, plus the 200BHP MR2 will out-pace a standard impreza by a good way..... Trust me i've owned both

RB5_245

Just Read That and realised there wasn't a point, The impreza is the drivers car but the MR2 takes much more skill.... And get's a bit snappy at the limit. Neither The type R or the GT4 had anything to do with this.... I'm Gibbering..... Buy Neither!

PG

Teg

dosenöffner

I have a well tidy 95 (35,000 miles). I'd only be looking for £7,500 ono. That's an extra £1,000 for tuning or insurance.

I've had an STi and a Type RA before it. Not quite up to the Scoobs off the mark but once it is going it is quicker and easier. And the way the back comes around is completely predictable and superb.

Tescos also did not discriminate about it being an import.

Dizzy

is there a TEG BBS?

WRX_BLUES

I say ITR! But I too am biased as I owned one for two years. My reasons...

1) Great handling, the steering is direct and accurate...point and steer
2) The sound, when that VTEC kicks in just imagine your in a F1 car it is awesome...even more so with a K&N inductions kit
3) The looks are fantastic especially in the white
4) You are very much involved with the driving
5) The gearbox is very precise and solid
6) The engine just wants to keep on going

DazW

iTrader: (1)

I say the '4, but then Im also biased

Teg is a fantastic car, but I really fancied a stab at 'modding' & Honda made the bloody thing too good so there isnt much room for improvement, well not without spending mega bucks

The main problem with a '4 is that its a bit refined for a rally homogalation special- they're deceptively quick (5.2 to 60) as standard but due to no lag (twin entry) you dont get that kick in the kidneys that an Impreza or my old car, a Grale gives.

Of course with a bit of tinkering all that can be rectified ... Its got to be easier making a refined car raw than the other way around

DazW
'94 ST205 WRC -with Integra Recaro's! :P

Dark Blue Mark

Cheers all,

Seems pretty decisive on the Integra then!

Dossenoffer, YHM

MB

P1-Kev

I've had the ST185 and also the ST205 WRC....they are very heavy cars. Easy to mod but when they go wrong its expensive. Also if there are problems there's not many people around that know them also when they've seen whats under bonnet they don't want to work on them. The scoob would knock spots of the 4's...then again I'm biased towards the scoobs. I had the WRC which was pushing out 350 bhp/320 lbft .....my P1 would pi$$ over it, and thats in standard form

Just stick to the scoob m8, believe me you won't regret it.

Regards

Kev..

RS Grant

I remember reading a conversion report on a Civic VTi with a Jackson S/Charger and it seemed a goo package on that, gave good results and realtively easy to setup they said.

So it would be the Jackson for me mate...

Cheers,
Grant

Edited to make sure this reply made sense!!

[Edited by RS Grant - 5/9/2003 2:01:20 AM]

SideShowBob

I have test driven two GT4's (one jap, one UK), and did own an Integra for 2 years, and can say without any hesitation that the Integra is far better in every respect, except in that it is more expensive to modify due to no turbo.

The GT4 felt extemely heavy, the setup does its best to disguise it, but cant do it. There is no energy to the car, or exciting sound to the car, and I was very underwhelmed in both models, though the Jap spec was perkier.

On the plus, its very well put together, very high quality, and lasts very well.

The Integra is the exact opposite. Exciting, lively, chuckable, and just so much more fun.
The GT4 may get to 60 or whatever faster, but it wont feel it, and car enjoyment, for me, rates higher than 0-60's, especially as they are reasonably close.

The Integra was a really wicked car, and I still get to ride in them after I sold mine, as a couple mates have them now, one has exhaust and induction, and although it gives about 3BHP less on the RRoad (unbelievably!! shows how top notch the cars engineered from the factory), it sounds evil, and is loads of fun.


[Edited by SideShowBob - 5/9/2003 9:40:50 AM]