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Old 05 March 2003, 11:11 PM
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Super/Turbo charge the existing lump, proper power, proper Q car

http://www.m3forum.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000013.html
http://www.activeautowerke.com/dyno/...uto_SC8psi.asp
http://www.cartech.net/bmwm3turbo.htm
http://www.europeancarweb.com/projec...0204ec_projbmw


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Old 03 May 2003, 10:46 PM
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Anyone have good knowledge of the drivetrain layouts of the M's?

Wondering about dropping a M5 block (not the new shape engine) into the older M3(E36).

Possible?
Old 03 May 2003, 11:13 PM
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yeh, but dont like the idea of ruining the engine like that. would get more money to just trade the blocks, no?
Old 03 May 2003, 11:21 PM
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It depends, if an m5 engine drops straight into an m3 shell then I'd go for that but if there's a lot of work i.e. engine/gearbox mounts, wiring loom etc then I'd leave the m3 engine in and "play" with that, running 8psi on a big engine wouldnt be that much, using low compression pistons would ensure this but there seem to be a few people/companies that are doing these conversion, its worth a look around
Old 04 May 2003, 02:34 PM
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Raks - i wouldnt bother, whats the point of all that effort just for an extra 19bhp, and i'd imagine it would cost ££££££s

Why not just tune it thew M3:

Gruppe M induction kit £800 gets 15bhp
Bexley unichip remapping gets 17bhp £500
Supersprint decat and exaust worth around 15bhp - 1K

Get this lot and you will have a seriously fast M3 (good enough to take on a 360 etc) and save a bundle over an engine transplant!
Old 04 May 2003, 02:39 PM
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wow, didnt realise how flexible the M3 is!

could buy a baseline M3 then (coupe) for about £12-13k and then throw in a couple of k for tuning, and it would a nice luxurious rocket.

Hmmmmmm.......

hey, could the M suspension cope? Or would it need a revamp also?
Old 04 May 2003, 02:50 PM
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M3 a Q car ?

most things dont get a look in against a standard one so hows that a Q car ?

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Old 04 May 2003, 03:02 PM
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Read the posts above
Old 04 May 2003, 07:41 PM
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I'd say the M susp is up to the job of around 380bhp.

Prob reccomend eibach kit or ACS first though...
Old 05 May 2003, 11:26 AM
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Would the de-cat render the MOT invalid? What about a sports cat. Is there one available for the 3 series? Same amount of power upgrade?

Also, would the car benefit from the 'other' types of upgrades? Bigger injectors, lightened flywheel/clutch, lighter pistons/crankshafts/cams, ported heads?

Really thinking about an upgraded M3 as a daily drive. Think it would be undriveable as a daily?
Old 05 May 2003, 01:12 PM
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yes it will fail MOT without cat (meow) but MOT it first then it will be good for a year. you can put i back on next MOT. i've de-cated my J91 E36 325 and that will be okay cos dont need a CAT until 08/1993 k reg. sounds great too just a little louder and deeper. (scorpion bypass pipe)

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Old 05 May 2003, 01:29 PM
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I would rather not have the problem of switching pipes for the MOT, be it only once a year. Sports cats not possible?

Round where I am, the cops are very cautious with drivers as it is, so I don't want to be pulled to then be questioned about the exhaust etc.

Ive been in the car when they have done this, not only is it a pain to go to the station later on in the week with documentation, but it takes 2hrs out of the day!!!
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