Soarer Twin turbo thread.. continued from PAGE 12
05 January 2003, 04:35 PM
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Pep, I don't understamnd what your jip is with Mycroft?
Do you guys have an eventful history???
I mean, fair enough, if he had raced you and then claimed he had whept (sp.?) the floor with you, when indeed he hadn't, I'd understand. But this isn't the case.
Do you own a Diablo, that you are so hurt by announcement of his ability of being able to keep up with one?
I mean, just because one man, has said that he can keep up with some of the most super of supercars that the industry has developed, does not mean that HIS particular Soarer, doesn't.
Ok, well that's me over and done with. I'm only 22 and I think that this is childish behavior which isn't what this board is about. All IMHO opinion of course!
ps. Sorry if I've offended anyone by expressing my opinion. No harm intended.
edited for spelling! Darn blasted laptop keyboards!!
[Edited by Raks - 5/1/2003 4:37:36 PM]
Do you guys have an eventful history???
I mean, fair enough, if he had raced you and then claimed he had whept (sp.?) the floor with you, when indeed he hadn't, I'd understand. But this isn't the case.
Do you own a Diablo, that you are so hurt by announcement of his ability of being able to keep up with one?
I mean, just because one man, has said that he can keep up with some of the most super of supercars that the industry has developed, does not mean that HIS particular Soarer, doesn't.
Ok, well that's me over and done with. I'm only 22 and I think that this is childish behavior which isn't what this board is about. All IMHO opinion of course!
ps. Sorry if I've offended anyone by expressing my opinion. No harm intended.
edited for spelling! Darn blasted laptop keyboards!!
[Edited by Raks - 5/1/2003 4:37:36 PM]
05 January 2003, 05:01 PM
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That's fine... if you feel that way, then please feel free to not post in this thread, your comments have been noted and we thank you for them... anything else you would like to add before you go?
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 5:02:05 PM]
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 5:02:05 PM]
05 January 2003, 05:15 PM
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"BHP only dictates top speed"
I think I went on to say:- when CdA is taken into account
Excuse me????
Granted
Think you'll find it's fairly useful for acceleration as well....
Indeed, it has some bearing as does torque, they are quite closely related
(Unless you are one of those deluded people who thinks torque figures are more relevant for acceleration than power)
I'm one of those guys who understands that the real performance indicators is the 2 mentioned above, the RPM/C of an engine and also the scope of the performance is dictated by the BMEP.
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 5:16:26 PM]
I think I went on to say:- when CdA is taken into account
Excuse me????
Granted
Think you'll find it's fairly useful for acceleration as well....
Indeed, it has some bearing as does torque, they are quite closely related
(Unless you are one of those deluded people who thinks torque figures are more relevant for acceleration than power)
I'm one of those guys who understands that the real performance indicators is the 2 mentioned above, the RPM/C of an engine and also the scope of the performance is dictated by the BMEP.
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 5:16:26 PM]
05 January 2003, 05:52 PM
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I did answer the question earlier... to make as plain as possible, if you buy a Soarer, then go to the TIF and make yourself known and then when we have 'sussed you out' at a few meets you will get all the info you would want. That is it... you need a £10K budget.
You do get tips all the while... just the real stuff.. the power stuff, it is not given to all without some discretion being shown...
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 5:55:58 PM]
You do get tips all the while... just the real stuff.. the power stuff, it is not given to all without some discretion being shown...
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 5:55:58 PM]
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05 January 2003, 07:20 PM
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The profiling withing the Foettinger dictates the degree of coupling as does the overall size[diameter/depth] and the coolant/transmission fluid The trick with any car type couple is to not genmerate heat whilst staving off the stall rate...this can be addressed in a couple of ways, I have dealt with the design of the Couple and found that some of the 'knowledge' our American friends have regarding the way they get those amazing times with their Auto cars is 'transferrable' to the UK, my car runs systems that would not shame a Fast 1/4 car in the States...
Kosy... RTM'd... please go away and be a nuisance elsewhere.
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 7:25:20 PM]
Kosy... RTM'd... please go away and be a nuisance elsewhere.
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 7:25:20 PM]
05 January 2003, 07:25 PM
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Are you talking about marine diesels?
Everything from large diesel quarry wagons to large lifts.
Try 6000hp that will lift a 30 ton dead weight bring it up to maximum speed, transport it through a 700m shaft and dynamically brake it to a stop at the other end in 40 seconds.
You can fiddle about with fluid couplings as much as you like to give different results and alter efficiency but by its nature you will get slippage and the heat that is produced is a byproduct of the power lossed in the convertor.
On a 1200hp drive we installed a few years ago we lossed around 200hp in the coupling at full speed until they locked. We also had to provide 100hp of cooling via boost pumps and fans to get rid of the heat energy lossed.
Today we would use high torque variable speed motors, no loss, no additional cooling.
Modern submarines now use this principle and do not use fluid couplings.
Auto car setups are similar on a smaller scale.
Anything which is inefficient that can be replaced by technology eventually will be. The same will be true of the Torque Convertor and Autobox. In the short term the DSG system looks favorite. Long term variable speed motors and fuel cell.
Which ever way you look at it conventional auto's are inefficient and have had thier day.
Lee
[Edited by logiclee - 5/1/2003 7:27:25 PM]
05 January 2003, 07:40 PM
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Similar motors, different applications... the pumping losses in a large, say 56 tonne, Moxy will be huge, and these vehicles will still haul huge weights around with what is relatively a smal motor... I know that such a vehicle is a small'un for you but having utilised some of the parts of such a vehicle it is the limit of my knowledge of that type of vehicle... the plain fact is that the fluid couple in such vehicles will be designed not with drag racing in mind... although having driven a Moxy there is some buzz in getting one to 40mph, 50+tonnes is 'fun' at such speeds... they are built to be reliable and this means high or heavy duty rates for all components... so certainly any improvements that electrical start can give... as per the Ferdinand Porsche type Powered hubs will be of great benefit.
But the transfer of your knowledge across the 'industrial divide will give some insight, it will not really have the validity you may think, efficiency can be greatly improved with down-scaling and vane design... the fastest cars off the line are now not manuals... they are autos...
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 7:43:18 PM]
But the transfer of your knowledge across the 'industrial divide will give some insight, it will not really have the validity you may think, efficiency can be greatly improved with down-scaling and vane design... the fastest cars off the line are now not manuals... they are autos...
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 7:43:18 PM]
05 January 2003, 07:51 PM
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They use auto's in drag racing as they can design the coupling with launch in mind and can have huge outputs, they also cut down reaction times and can be used to smooth a harsh power delivery. A convertor off a car designed for quarter miles would be crap as a road car.
Given that the Lambo is a couple of hundred kg heavier and a bit less slippy through the air (Not a big issue at 80mph)I would say that would about cancel out your couplings losses.
At full speed through the gears race which is what we are taliking about (80 to 150+) power is all important as its only a measure of torque x rpm and torque at high rpm allows you to hold a lower ratio longer.
I would therefore expect your Soarer to be producing in excess of 500bhp to have the performance you suggest.
The main point is. Torque convertors do not magic power or torque from anywhere they reduce it compared to a direct drive system.
Lee
[Edited by logiclee - 5/1/2003 8:31:39 PM]
Given that the Lambo is a couple of hundred kg heavier and a bit less slippy through the air (Not a big issue at 80mph)I would say that would about cancel out your couplings losses.
At full speed through the gears race which is what we are taliking about (80 to 150+) power is all important as its only a measure of torque x rpm and torque at high rpm allows you to hold a lower ratio longer.
I would therefore expect your Soarer to be producing in excess of 500bhp to have the performance you suggest.
The main point is. Torque convertors do not magic power or torque from anywhere they reduce it compared to a direct drive system.
Lee
[Edited by logiclee - 5/1/2003 8:31:39 PM]
05 January 2003, 08:19 PM
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Redkop - surely its valid to question how truthful what the original topic-starter says?
Are there any rules in the SN Policy about spouting BS?
[Edited by Pepper - 5/1/2003 8:20:06 PM]
Are there any rules in the SN Policy about spouting BS?
[Edited by Pepper - 5/1/2003 8:20:06 PM]
05 January 2003, 08:42 PM
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Redkop:
I (like most of Scoobynet) am just pissed off with how Mycroft cloggs up this bbs with incorrect garbage.
Use your common sense when moderating like the rest of mods here do.
Edited to add a quote from Redkop,
Yeah and a thread about him beating Lambos is just that
[Edited by Kosy - 5/1/2003 8:49:10 PM]
I (like most of Scoobynet) am just pissed off with how Mycroft cloggs up this bbs with incorrect garbage.
Use your common sense when moderating like the rest of mods here do.
Edited to add a quote from Redkop,
discuss logically please.
[Edited by Kosy - 5/1/2003 8:49:10 PM]
05 January 2003, 09:01 PM
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Pepper and Kosy... you claim that what I have written is bullsh!t... but you can find no fault in any of what I have written... you merely contradict... contradictation or credulity is valueless as an arguement or debating point.
Type a rebuttal... not a contradiction or insult, but a true, reasoned rebuttal.
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 9:03:02 PM]
Type a rebuttal... not a contradiction or insult, but a true, reasoned rebuttal.
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 9:03:02 PM]
05 January 2003, 09:26 PM
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No...
It is not anonymous... unlike yours were for months.
It came from my own Mail account... unlike yours.
It was damned funny... unlike yours.
It would however be hypocritical of you to think it any way resembled the crap you have seen fit to send me in the past 3 months or so.
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 9:34:33 PM]
It is not anonymous... unlike yours were for months.
It came from my own Mail account... unlike yours.
It was damned funny... unlike yours.
It would however be hypocritical of you to think it any way resembled the crap you have seen fit to send me in the past 3 months or so.
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 9:34:33 PM]
05 January 2003, 09:54 PM
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Logiclee... I don't blame you, you have made a huge error in your thinking, I shall explain your faux pas as I don't see why you should post a huge error in Physics and then walk away.
Your error is simple and shattering... although the torque figure at the motor at 3000rpm is little different than at 4000rpm when the torque convertor deals with that torque [we'll call it 300ftlbs] the whole raison-detre of the torque convertor it that if it were 100% efficient it would produce 400ftlbs due to simple gearing... like a push-bike... now being a fluid couple it has losses so the reality is that the car has 375ftlbs.
That is the worst mistake I have seen from a so-called Engineer for years......what an idiot!
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 9:56:13 PM]
Your error is simple and shattering... although the torque figure at the motor at 3000rpm is little different than at 4000rpm when the torque convertor deals with that torque [we'll call it 300ftlbs] the whole raison-detre of the torque convertor it that if it were 100% efficient it would produce 400ftlbs due to simple gearing... like a push-bike... now being a fluid couple it has losses so the reality is that the car has 375ftlbs.
That is the worst mistake I have seen from a so-called Engineer for years...
...what an idiot! [Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 9:56:13 PM]
05 January 2003, 09:56 PM
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Your error is simple and shattering... although the torque figure at the motor at 3000rpm is little different than at 4000rpm when the torque convertor deals with that torque [we'll call it 300ftlbs] the whole raison-detre of the torque convertor it that if it were 100% efficient it would produce 400ftlbs due to simple gearing... like a push-bike... now being a fluid couple it has losses so the reality is that the car has 375ftlbs.
###
Is is me or is there an error in *that*?
OOPS
LOL
[Edited by Pepper - 5/1/2003 9:57:24 PM]
Your error is simple and shattering... although the torque figure at the motor at 3000rpm is little different than at 4000rpm when the torque convertor deals with that torque [we'll call it 300ftlbs] the whole raison-detre of the torque convertor it that if it were 100% efficient it would produce 400ftlbs due to simple gearing... like a push-bike... now being a fluid couple it has losses so the reality is that the car has 375ftlbs.
###
Is is me or is there an error in *that*?
OOPS
LOL
[Edited by Pepper - 5/1/2003 9:57:24 PM]
05 January 2003, 10:23 PM
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The clutch does a similar multiplying thing as the Foettinger... as you feed in the 1500rpms [say] to something not moving the clutches uses friction slip/coupling to multiply the torque to get it moving... you-are-an-idiot...hahaha
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 10:24:21 PM]
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 10:24:21 PM]
05 January 2003, 10:55 PM
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there are 14 steps to doing it...
Here is the first...
'With the ignition on but the engine not running.'
More tomorrow... if I feel in a good mood... hahaha tonight has been a classic so far.
Jeez.. I hope the thread doesn't get locked... 'cos I will NOT post the answer in any thread anywhere on the net except here... this one dies... so does your chance of re-setting that very nice MINES ECU
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 10:58:13 PM]
Here is the first...
'With the ignition on but the engine not running.'
More tomorrow... if I feel in a good mood... hahaha
tonight has been a classic so far.Jeez.. I hope the thread doesn't get locked... 'cos I will NOT post the answer in any thread anywhere on the net except here... this one dies... so does your chance of re-setting that very nice MINES ECU
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 10:58:13 PM]
05 January 2003, 10:58 PM
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'With the ignion on but the engine not running.'
###
WTF is an ignion anyway? Is it a type of vegetable?
PMSL @ the supposed "engineer"
[Edited by Pepper - 5/1/2003 10:59:17 PM]
'With the ignion on but the engine not running.'
###
WTF is an ignion anyway? Is it a type of vegetable?
PMSL @ the supposed "engineer"
[Edited by Pepper - 5/1/2003 10:59:17 PM]
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http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?ThreadID=202094&Page=12
We continue...
The 'Box is not quite standard... to make it that good the Mods cost about £1200... with my power and a totally normal 'box then 5.0secs 30/70 would be right for 380hp... 3.1secs is repeatable and readily available...
Anyone can have a car like mine, as fast as mine, as discrete as mine, as intimidating as mine for just £10k...
I have stated this before... I can sit behind a Lamborghini Diablo (500hp) at 80mph... he can press the go pedal and do anything he can to shake me off and until he gets beyon 150mph even though he pressed first I am all over him and he is in my way... I have to feather my throttle...
Mods please REMOVE felatious posters and try not to close the thread because of them... TA!
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 3:30:30 PM]
We continue...
The 'Box is not quite standard... to make it that good the Mods cost about £1200... with my power and a totally normal 'box then 5.0secs 30/70 would be right for 380hp... 3.1secs is repeatable and readily available...
Anyone can have a car like mine, as fast as mine, as discrete as mine, as intimidating as mine for just £10k...
I have stated this before... I can sit behind a Lamborghini Diablo (500hp) at 80mph... he can press the go pedal and do anything he can to shake me off and until he gets beyon 150mph even though he pressed first I am all over him and he is in my way... I have to feather my throttle...
Mods please REMOVE felatious posters and try not to close the thread because of them... TA!
[Edited by Mycroft - 5/1/2003 3:30:30 PM]
01 May 2003, 04:01 PM
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ON TOPIC:
I don't believe that - are you saying that the Soarer is quicker than a Diablo when modded to your level?
Can you confirm how much horsepower your car has and its weight?
I don't believe that - are you saying that the Soarer is quicker than a Diablo when modded to your level?
Can you confirm how much horsepower your car has and its weight?
