'amd' chipping of VW powerplants
05 February 2003, 09:50 AM
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mate is tempted to get his 210bhp VW turbo powerplant chipped to around 250bhp using amd (recognised VW 'tuner'). Anybody got any opinions/experience of them ?
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05 February 2003, 11:30 AM
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AmD www.auto-amd.com along with Revotechnik (formerly APR Europe) and Jabbasport are the best companies out there. Never heard a bad thing about AmD except they are a tad pricy but you pay for what you get with VAG tuning....
05 February 2003, 09:16 PM
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AMD Would be my choice - all have similar results - on rolling roads AMD have shown to hold power further up the revs compared to APR - not sure about Jabba but Mike seems pretty clued up when i've spoken to him...
05 February 2003, 09:20 PM
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AMD are a fantastic set-up..
Got my G40 done by them about 6 years ago.
They now do Porsches, VW, Audi etc..
Bigger premises with better r/road facilities
Geoff is the man to speak to
Thoroughly recommended
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Got my G40 done by them about 6 years ago.
They now do Porsches, VW, Audi etc..
Bigger premises with better r/road facilities
Geoff is the man to speak to
Thoroughly recommended
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06 February 2003, 08:27 AM
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I have just had my S3 Audi chipped by APR and it is vastly improved. Was producing 208bhp/206 ft lbs on dyno before fitting (same day) and immediately after , had 260bhp and 286 ft lbs. As I had come from a 420 bhp R34 VSpec Skyline, the original S3 felt very strained in any gear. Now it is quite a rapid car with no downsides evident from the APR chip. The torque is the most noticeable change. Highly recommended.
06 February 2003, 10:03 PM
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I can certainly recomend AmD. They have rechipped 2 of my VWs 1 Porker and lots of mates wagons. Buddy of mine recently has his 210bhp S3 chipped & is dead chuffed with the 268bhp achived.
07 February 2003, 12:23 PM
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Agree with the comments about AmD
Also - see who can book you in immediately - then use someone else ! In August '02 AmD were booking 6 weeks ahead and Jabba Sport a couple of weeks - both are recommended.
Also - see who can book you in immediately - then use someone else ! In August '02 AmD were booking 6 weeks ahead and Jabba Sport a couple of weeks - both are recommended.
07 February 2003, 07:28 PM
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Had my audi 80 chipped by AmD, well worth it, they've moved from oddington to bicester now so no sitting in the reception for hours (there was no where to go in oddington)
11 February 2003, 07:34 PM
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Also - see who can book you in immediately - then use someone else !
I saw a Golf GTiT on the rollers on Sunday make (IIRC) 240+bhp and 291 lb/ft with a Revo remap and a few other minor mods.
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12 February 2003, 12:46 AM
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All are very good but don't believe everything you hear. The AMD chip is no better than the APR chip. In fact the APR chip is known to have a smoother power-band which holds the power higher through the rev range that either MTM or AMD. I have been in all three and I was absolutely gobsmacked at how fast the MTM S3 was compared to my standard S3. It would certainly stay with a P1 no probs but I feel that maybe it puts a bit too much boost on for long term reliablilty.
Personally I would (and may) go for APR if I were to get chipped. There is a big difference between standard and chipped. The APR boys know their stuff.
Personally I would (and may) go for APR if I were to get chipped. There is a big difference between standard and chipped. The APR boys know their stuff.
12 February 2003, 04:55 AM
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sorry mate but its the other way around
AMD is the one that has shown to hold on to the power higher up the revs. from roling roads its smack bang in the middle of APR and MTM for smoothness and torque..... plus you get the RR before and aftet, which you also get with Jabba but not with MTM or APR
(in most cases) another plus is that your actually going to the guy or makes the "chip" As opposed to just the installer of the chip. The APR guys are now REVO... but revo aren't APR if that makes sense :-)
AMD is the one that has shown to hold on to the power higher up the revs. from roling roads its smack bang in the middle of APR and MTM for smoothness and torque..... plus you get the RR before and aftet, which you also get with Jabba but not with MTM or APR
(in most cases) another plus is that your actually going to the guy or makes the "chip" As opposed to just the installer of the chip. The APR guys are now REVO... but revo aren't APR if that makes sense :-)
12 February 2003, 05:05 AM
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"I saw a Golf GTiT on the rollers on Sunday make (IIRC) 240+bhp and 291 lb/ft with a Revo remap and a few other minor mods".
Revo must be doing something impressive because a K03 cant make those figs. Most heard from a k03 sport is 240 lbs torque and as you can see from the guys who have posted to this message with TT'S and S3's max there getting is around 290 lbs torque and thats with a substanstially bigger turbo than the k03 sport
Revo must be doing something impressive because a K03 cant make those figs. Most heard from a k03 sport is 240 lbs torque and as you can see from the guys who have posted to this message with TT'S and S3's max there getting is around 290 lbs torque and thats with a substanstially bigger turbo than the k03 sport
12 February 2003, 07:28 AM
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In the UK at least APR is now Revo. It's a split, not a rebrand and APR aren't happy about it. Consequently Revo (petrol) code is new. It now goes in thru the diag port and as I said earlier I saw a Golf GTiT running 245bhp and 292lb/ft on Sunday (I've checked now...) It only ran 240+ lb/ft on APR code on the same rollers earlier the same day.
Forget APR, Revo is now here and it's better.
Fen
Forget APR, Revo is now here and it's better.
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12 February 2003, 11:13 AM
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These are unrealistic figures. There is no way the K-03 will make 245bhp unless you massivly reduce the life of the engine.
Liam, I was really talking about S3's and TT's when I refered to the APR (Revo) holding power better. It is commonly known amongst the guys at Audi-Sport & Tyresmoke that the APR/Revo chip does not use as much boost as AMD/MTM but it will keep the power coming all the way the 6800rpm. The AMD/MTM chips produce a higher boost spike which gives you a bigger kick in the back at 3-4000RPM.
Taking a 150bhp GTi to 245bhp will not happen without something blowing up.
Liam, I was really talking about S3's and TT's when I refered to the APR (Revo) holding power better. It is commonly known amongst the guys at Audi-Sport & Tyresmoke that the APR/Revo chip does not use as much boost as AMD/MTM but it will keep the power coming all the way the 6800rpm. The AMD/MTM chips produce a higher boost spike which gives you a bigger kick in the back at 3-4000RPM.
Taking a 150bhp GTi to 245bhp will not happen without something blowing up.
12 February 2003, 12:16 PM
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These are unrealistic figures. There is no way the K-03 will make 245bhp unless you massivly reduce the life of the engine.
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12 February 2003, 02:03 PM
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I agree i cant see how they can make it do something thats not really physically possible - k03 is only tiny. i have a K04 only slightly bigger. Really cant see how Revo can make it produce a whole 50 lbs more torque and 30 bhp more than was previously possible.
sounds like bollocks to me plus why aren't there any figs on their
webpage....
I agree i cant see how they can make it do something thats not really physically possible - k03 is only tiny. i have a K04 only slightly bigger. Really cant see how Revo can make it produce a whole 50 lbs more torque and 30 bhp more than was previously possible.
sounds like bollocks to me plus why aren't there any figs on their
webpage....
12 February 2003, 04:07 PM
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I saw the results from that day as well and regardless of whether it reduces engine life those are the figures that were produced. The major advantage of going to REVO is that it doesn't involve taking out your existing ECU the results prove how good the code is. My diesel the same as Fens produces 179.4bhp and 299.9lb/ft of torque. The numbers speak for themselves.
12 February 2003, 07:44 PM
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Fair enough but it must be running some serious boost
like i said that 50 lbs of torque more than previous and nearly twice the standard......don't see why the way the information is put on the chip should have anything to do with the result
Did you say a jabba with a k03 had similar torque ? if so there is something wrong because they only qoute around 220 240 for there remap
like i said that 50 lbs of torque more than previous and nearly twice the standard......don't see why the way the information is put on the chip should have anything to do with the result
Did you say a jabba with a k03 had similar torque ? if so there is something wrong because they only qoute around 220 240 for there remap
13 February 2003, 10:06 AM
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It was my Glof. Car had a 300mile thrash yesterday and hit its first reliability issue. Dump valve wasn't sealing when boost comes in causing a nasty shudder. Serviced it last night, and cured the problem.
Reliability may be an issue. I do 30K a year so i'll soon find out. The boost peaked at 1.4bar verses 1.1 with my previous APR chip and induction temps at the end of the runs were only 2-3C higher. I've run APR from mew to 15K with no issues (237hp,240lbft)
The car feels noticably quicker, and in my hands posted better 0-100 times than a chipped leon cupra R (270hp/270lbft) that I borrowed last week.
Chipped tt/s3 have been running 1.4 bar for quite a while with no real issues.
I know a clutch may be needed at some point, but the rest of the drive train has been well proven at these torqe levels by the likes of APR stage 3 in the states, and Jabbas IHI kits in the UK. The only other weak point is the rivvets that hold the diff in (quaife soon so not a problem)
The car has every other bolt on mod available, so is not very standard. It's posting 14s 0-100's (with a 6.3 60) in my hands done with a stopwatch and the spedo. This is with me babying the clutch and no weight reduction. 60-100 is comparable to an STI.
The spedo was previously checked against the rollers at the rr and was within 1-2mph at 120mph
Reliability may be an issue. I do 30K a year so i'll soon find out. The boost peaked at 1.4bar verses 1.1 with my previous APR chip and induction temps at the end of the runs were only 2-3C higher. I've run APR from mew to 15K with no issues (237hp,240lbft)
The car feels noticably quicker, and in my hands posted better 0-100 times than a chipped leon cupra R (270hp/270lbft) that I borrowed last week.
Chipped tt/s3 have been running 1.4 bar for quite a while with no real issues.
I know a clutch may be needed at some point, but the rest of the drive train has been well proven at these torqe levels by the likes of APR stage 3 in the states, and Jabbas IHI kits in the UK. The only other weak point is the rivvets that hold the diff in (quaife soon so not a problem)
The car has every other bolt on mod available, so is not very standard. It's posting 14s 0-100's (with a 6.3 60) in my hands done with a stopwatch and the spedo. This is with me babying the clutch and no weight reduction. 60-100 is comparable to an STI.
The spedo was previously checked against the rollers at the rr and was within 1-2mph at 120mph
13 February 2003, 11:39 AM
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And here's a link to some performance figures. In gear times are almost identical to those recorded by motor for an M5, and marginaly quicker than those they recorded for a P1. Basically quite quick.
http://193.109.68.9/ukmkivs/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=7746
[Edited by golfttish - 2/13/2003 11:43:42 AM]
http://193.109.68.9/ukmkivs/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=7746
[Edited by golfttish - 2/13/2003 11:43:42 AM]