2006 ford focus 2.0 petrol......wheres the oil gone
06 April 2018, 07:31 PM
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2006 ford focus 2.0 petrol......wheres the oil gone
so I have a 2nd car which I bought in jan this year, its a 2.0 petrol duratec ford focus with 99k on the clock. the oil and filter was changed on 4-01-18 with 5w30 fully synthetic.
I have covered around 400 miles in it (short trips) since owning it. I am taking the car to leeds tomorrow so I was checking the levels today and to my horror there was no oil in it,not even a slight trace on the dip-stick. my drive way is level and the car had been stood for around 6 hours so was stone cold.
I started her up and let her run for a few mins,switched her off then re-checked and still no oil was showing. so I re-dipped around 5-6 times turing the dip-stick around etc but still no oil. I have a white gravel driveway and there is no oil marks indicating a leak anywhere.
I shot down halfrauds in the scoob and picked up 1L of Castrol 5w30 and dumped the lot in,ran it up for 5 mins and re-dipped..............STILL no oil was showing.
do I keep adding oil until it shows? where could it have all gone?
I have covered around 400 miles in it (short trips) since owning it. I am taking the car to leeds tomorrow so I was checking the levels today and to my horror there was no oil in it,not even a slight trace on the dip-stick. my drive way is level and the car had been stood for around 6 hours so was stone cold.
I started her up and let her run for a few mins,switched her off then re-checked and still no oil was showing. so I re-dipped around 5-6 times turing the dip-stick around etc but still no oil. I have a white gravel driveway and there is no oil marks indicating a leak anywhere.
I shot down halfrauds in the scoob and picked up 1L of Castrol 5w30 and dumped the lot in,ran it up for 5 mins and re-dipped..............STILL no oil was showing.
do I keep adding oil until it shows? where could it have all gone?
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06 April 2018, 10:07 PM
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Have you ever checked the dipstick before and seen oil on it?
If not, are you sure it's the right dip stick for the car that's in there? These things car get misplaced and it's possible it was just replaced with another that was lying about which is actually too short.
If not, are you sure it's the right dip stick for the car that's in there? These things car get misplaced and it's possible it was just replaced with another that was lying about which is actually too short.
06 April 2018, 11:09 PM
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Just been scouting about and found a few threads with this problem mentioned. Nothing solid by way of a mechanical cause or solution, but there is a recurring theme in that these engines can need to sit for 10 hours or more to get a true oil reading, but this was followed by a contradictory post saying that a warm engine can be dipped a couple of mins after switching off.
So I'm not much help really. Try dipping it in the morning again and see what it reads.
So I'm not much help really. Try dipping it in the morning again and see what it reads.
06 April 2018, 11:11 PM
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Just been scouting about and found a few threads with this problem mentioned. Nothing solid by way of a mechanical cause or solution, but there is a recurring theme in that these engines can need to sit for 10 hours or more to get a true oil reading, but this was followed by a contradictory post saying that a warm engine can be dipped a couple of mins after switching off.
So I'm not much help really. Try dipping it in the morning again and see what it reads.
So I'm not much help really. Try dipping it in the morning again and see what it reads.
its going to my local ats 1st thing to have the aircon re-gassed so will get them to have a look around the dip-stick area etc
06 April 2018, 11:25 PM
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Dipstick only shows the top 1litre.
So you can have 3litres in the sump and it shows up dry on the stick. Just keep topping up until it shows between max and min( max is a limit it does not need to be a target). Holds about 4.5litres in total IIRC (including filter).
They do have a habit of drinking oil. They won't smoke unless really bad as the catalyst burns it off before you have chance to see it, but you may get the odd puff after going downhill on overrun then reapplying the throttle.
Cause? Rings/bores most likely, oil separator issue in the breathers possible, less likely valve guides. Blocked breathers can also knacker piston rings causing a viscious circle.
Best thing to do is top it back to the max. Make a note of the date and mileage, then recheck every week. Only topping up when it drops to or below the minimum marker, making a note of the date, mileage and quantity added.
That way you should have an idea of oil consumption. 1 litre every 1000 miles is not great but acceptable. A litre every 100miles or less needs urgent attention.
So you can have 3litres in the sump and it shows up dry on the stick. Just keep topping up until it shows between max and min( max is a limit it does not need to be a target). Holds about 4.5litres in total IIRC (including filter).
They do have a habit of drinking oil. They won't smoke unless really bad as the catalyst burns it off before you have chance to see it, but you may get the odd puff after going downhill on overrun then reapplying the throttle.
Cause? Rings/bores most likely, oil separator issue in the breathers possible, less likely valve guides. Blocked breathers can also knacker piston rings causing a viscious circle.
Best thing to do is top it back to the max. Make a note of the date and mileage, then recheck every week. Only topping up when it drops to or below the minimum marker, making a note of the date, mileage and quantity added.
That way you should have an idea of oil consumption. 1 litre every 1000 miles is not great but acceptable. A litre every 100miles or less needs urgent attention.
06 April 2018, 11:33 PM
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Dipstick only shows the top 1litre.
So you can have 3litres in the sump and it shows up dry on the stick. Just keep topping up until it shows between max and min( max is a limit it does not need to be a target). Holds about 4.5litres in total IIRC (including filter).
They do have a habit of drinking oil. They won't smoke unless really bad as the catalyst burns it off before you have chance to see it, but you may get the odd puff after going downhill on overrun then reapplying the throttle.
Cause? Rings/bores most likely, oil separator issue in the breathers possible, less likely valve guides. Blocked breathers can also knacker piston rings causing a viscious circle.
Best thing to do is top it back to the max. Make a note of the date and mileage, then recheck every week. Only topping up when it drops to or below the minimum marker, making a note of the date, mileage and quantity added.
That way you should have an idea of oil consumption. 1 litre every 1000 miles is not great but acceptable. A litre every 100miles or less needs urgent attention.
So you can have 3litres in the sump and it shows up dry on the stick. Just keep topping up until it shows between max and min( max is a limit it does not need to be a target). Holds about 4.5litres in total IIRC (including filter).
They do have a habit of drinking oil. They won't smoke unless really bad as the catalyst burns it off before you have chance to see it, but you may get the odd puff after going downhill on overrun then reapplying the throttle.
Cause? Rings/bores most likely, oil separator issue in the breathers possible, less likely valve guides. Blocked breathers can also knacker piston rings causing a viscious circle.
Best thing to do is top it back to the max. Make a note of the date and mileage, then recheck every week. Only topping up when it drops to or below the minimum marker, making a note of the date, mileage and quantity added.
That way you should have an idea of oil consumption. 1 litre every 1000 miles is not great but acceptable. A litre every 100miles or less needs urgent attention.
08 April 2018, 10:15 AM
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So update......
I took the car to my mate at ats yesterday morning, we had it on the ramp and checked it thoroughly underneath, bone dry. No leaks/drips/oil filter is dry, sump is dry, dip stick tube is secure.
They put 3/4 litre of oil in it which bought it up to just below max so with the oil I put in on Friday night it's had 1 and 3/4 litre of 5w30 fully synthetic.
Off I went to Leeds to watch Europe's strongest man, 110 miles there and 110 miles back, car ran as usual......faultless.
Checked the oil this morning...........AND THE DIPSTICK IS BONE FEKKING DRY AGAIN.........AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH.
really really baffled with this now. I think my next option is to drain out the oil ( if there is any) and replace the filter and put the correct amount of oil in it and then check it.
If that doesn't cure it.............I'm gonna fekking smash it with a large hammer.
Just to add...there is no smoke from the exhaust on start up, when warm, when under load or on tick over.
I took the car to my mate at ats yesterday morning, we had it on the ramp and checked it thoroughly underneath, bone dry. No leaks/drips/oil filter is dry, sump is dry, dip stick tube is secure.
They put 3/4 litre of oil in it which bought it up to just below max so with the oil I put in on Friday night it's had 1 and 3/4 litre of 5w30 fully synthetic.
Off I went to Leeds to watch Europe's strongest man, 110 miles there and 110 miles back, car ran as usual......faultless.
Checked the oil this morning...........AND THE DIPSTICK IS BONE FEKKING DRY AGAIN.........AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH.
really really baffled with this now. I think my next option is to drain out the oil ( if there is any) and replace the filter and put the correct amount of oil in it and then check it.
If that doesn't cure it.............I'm gonna fekking smash it with a large hammer.
Just to add...there is no smoke from the exhaust on start up, when warm, when under load or on tick over.
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08 April 2018, 10:36 AM
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They put 3/4 litre of oil in it which bought it up to just below max so with the oil I put in on Friday night it's had 1 and 3/4 litre of 5w30 fully synthetic.
As read on the dipstick ?
Maybe just get a container of oil lol
As read on the dipstick ?
Maybe just get a container of oil lol
08 April 2018, 11:04 AM
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my mrs has just been out in the car and ive checked it upon her return and its still bone dry, surely after running the car there would be oily residue on the dipstick from it running.
08 April 2018, 12:19 PM
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It's burning it. As I said, the only obvious sign you'll see is a very brief puff of smoke in the mirrors after coasting down a long hill (in gear).
Another possible indicator is piston slap (Sounds a like scoob with forged Pistons) meaning excessive piston/bore clearances.
Our works Golf used to use a litre every 100 miles or so. It didn't smoke. In the end had to strip the engine and throw some new piston rings and valve guides in. It should have had Pistons too as the Teflon had worn off, but that would cost more than the cars worth. Doesn't use any oil now, but slaps like a forged Scooby
Another possible indicator is piston slap (Sounds a like scoob with forged Pistons) meaning excessive piston/bore clearances.
Our works Golf used to use a litre every 100 miles or so. It didn't smoke. In the end had to strip the engine and throw some new piston rings and valve guides in. It should have had Pistons too as the Teflon had worn off, but that would cost more than the cars worth. Doesn't use any oil now, but slaps like a forged Scooby
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14 April 2018, 09:40 PM
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So on our way to London we were driving along around 20 mph on the clogged motorway, I looked in my mirror and there was a fair bit of smoke, this was 100 miles into our journey.
I looked again a little later and there was none. I'm guessing either rings or stem oil seals, if it's the latter then I would probably get them done as it won't be mega expensive. If it's the rings I will just keep topping it up until it gets so bad that I have to scrap it.
Disappointed as the car is mint and only covered 99.5k
I looked again a little later and there was none. I'm guessing either rings or stem oil seals, if it's the latter then I would probably get them done as it won't be mega expensive. If it's the rings I will just keep topping it up until it gets so bad that I have to scrap it.
Disappointed as the car is mint and only covered 99.5k
19 April 2018, 06:23 PM
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well as ALI-B has said...........piston rings are shot.
picked the car up from the garage who have done a compression test on it and checked the pcv valve.
only had it 11 weeks and cost me £1400, I'm just gonna use it until it blows up,the mot runs out in jan 2019 so if I can make it last until then that will be ok.
just gonna keep chucking cheap *** Halfords oil in it.might change to a slightly thicker oil to see if that prolongs the life of it
picked the car up from the garage who have done a compression test on it and checked the pcv valve.
only had it 11 weeks and cost me £1400, I'm just gonna use it until it blows up,the mot runs out in jan 2019 so if I can make it last until then that will be ok.
just gonna keep chucking cheap *** Halfords oil in it.might change to a slightly thicker oil to see if that prolongs the life of it
19 April 2018, 08:40 PM
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Tbh it's only a minor fault in the size/design of the pistons but a lot of labour to rectify, easier and costly to replace block. A lot of audi centres blagged customers to pay a contribution towards it but of course I blagger it for free, my car wasn't even under warranty lol, but that how they put the job through.
The car still drove perfectly but was abnormal for a car to drink so much oil so I armed myself with too much knowledge of it before I had it out with them.
Not used a drop after I got it back though, sold car now though, will miss it, was a beautiful car to drive.
19 April 2018, 08:42 PM
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Yes, I think from 2008-2011 it was effected on the 1.8tfsi and 2.0tfsi engines.
Tbh it's only a minor fault in the size/design of the pistons but a lot of labour to rectify, easier and costly to replace block. A lot of audi centres blagged customers to pay a contribution towards it but of course I blagger it for free, my car wasn't even under warranty lol, but that how they put the job through.
The car still drove perfectly but was abnormal for a car to drink so much oil so I armed myself with too much knowledge of it before I had it out with them.
Not used a drop after I got it back though, sold car now though, will miss it, was a beautiful car to drive.
Tbh it's only a minor fault in the size/design of the pistons but a lot of labour to rectify, easier and costly to replace block. A lot of audi centres blagged customers to pay a contribution towards it but of course I blagger it for free, my car wasn't even under warranty lol, but that how they put the job through.
The car still drove perfectly but was abnormal for a car to drink so much oil so I armed myself with too much knowledge of it before I had it out with them.
Not used a drop after I got it back though, sold car now though, will miss it, was a beautiful car to drive.
19 April 2018, 09:29 PM
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well as ALI-B has said...........piston rings are shot.
picked the car up from the garage who have done a compression test on it and checked the pcv valve.
only had it 11 weeks and cost me £1400, I'm just gonna use it until it blows up,the mot runs out in jan 2019 so if I can make it last until then that will be ok.
just gonna keep chucking cheap *** Halfords oil in it.might change to a slightly thicker oil to see if that prolongs the life of it
picked the car up from the garage who have done a compression test on it and checked the pcv valve.
only had it 11 weeks and cost me £1400, I'm just gonna use it until it blows up,the mot runs out in jan 2019 so if I can make it last until then that will be ok.
just gonna keep chucking cheap *** Halfords oil in it.might change to a slightly thicker oil to see if that prolongs the life of it
