David Lock

IMHO anyway. Most nurses work really hard in a stressful environment going the extra mile for their patients.

It costs around £200m. Isn't that what the NHS wasted on useless IT systems?

Sack the lousy nurses and give the others a decent income. In broad terms they start on about half of a tube driver's pay and all they have to do is stay awake and press a button

My daughter works in the NHS and works her **** off with many extra hours and very little support and is paid peanuts.

Reminds me of that 37 pence that Brown or someone gave to pensioners some years back.

Disgusted of SN.

alcazar

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Agree wholeheartedly, although not with what tube drivers do.

As always, public sector workers are an easy target: nurses, health workers, teachers, police, council employees, etc.

richs2891

For most I think some, but that is my personal belief.
Most of the nurses on the wards I would keep a lot of the waste I believe is higher up in the chain.
But 1% pay increase is higher than a lot of private sector workers

alcazar

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Who probably earn more for less work and less responsible work to start with?

f1_fan

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I'd agree with most of that except for council employees who are, by and large, workshy and thick.

When I was an IT manager if I ever got a CV from someone with lots of council IT jobs it went in the bin! It wasn't worth it to try and explain to them the concept of working a full day and learning how to do their job properly!

richs2891

On the ones higher up the chain in Nursing - definitely.

F1Fan - I've done exactly that with a few CV I've had and for the same reasons. I've told one group of people they where like council workers as they all had to stop working and wait until the printer was fixed.
It did not go down well with them.

Richard

hodgy0_2

the problem is that, often, if you want to earn more money you have to do a desk job

being a Nurse - no matter how good you are at it, or how much you enjoy it will never pay as much as being as **** manager

Tidgy

so what did she get for the past 5 years?

The Trooper 1815

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The Military are quite clever with the "Ooohhh yeah, the guys have a 1% increase in line with other public sector workers" drivel but what they don't publish outside the organisation is:-

1. Overall increases to accommodation charges for Single Living Accommodation and furnished Service Families Accommodation.
2. An increase to the Daily Food Charge.
3. All Regular and Reserve personnel, including those under training, will receive an increase to their pay as a result of this pay award.

Weigh it up against other occupations it's actually a pay cut.
And as tax payers, employed by HMG, we are paying our own wages really!

David Lock

Who?

dl

Tidgy

was refereing to your daughter in this case cos you said 1% this year is an insult, wondered what the raise was year on year.

ALi-B

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Why are hospitals full of low level staff that seem to do nothing but slowly walk around with clipboards?

I watched one cleaner once whilst I was waiting and she spent more time needlessly walking than actually cleaning!

There is alot of wasted productivity at all levels; get rid of that and give the remaining good staff more wages. And stop trying to "review" or retrain inept/lazy staff - just f**k them off.

Maz

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Having seen first hand the work nurses do they definitely deserve a pay rise well in excess of 1%. It's a slap in the face with MPs voting themselves an 11% pay rise yet begrudging public sector employees anything.

David Lock

I don't know exactly and she is on an incremental scale. She did 3 years for her degree and another 2 years hard graft doing an MSc which she had to have for her specialisation. This cost her £10k extra plus the usual student loan of course. She started on around £21k and this has now gone up. But they do take the ****. She is told to use her car for home visits which costs a lot for insurance but do they contribute to this? Ha effing ha.

dl

Tidgy

im not sayign they dont, but not everyone has had a raise at all in the past 5 years, so anything is better than nothing.

The Trooper 1815

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The MP payrise was initiated by Labour who used an "independent" Review body. This is now backfiring in times of austerity and will need another act to stop it. Not defending the ******* but many are not actually accepting the rises.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26513673

The Trooper 1815

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A Junior Army Officer Entrant after 3 years (they have degrees as well) = £18,851.40.
A Level 1 private soldiers = £17,945.16
A new entrant recruit = £14,492.28

f1_fan

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FFS, that s shocking. I had no idea they were on so little!!

Matteeboy

No living expenses though which makes a HUGE difference.

stipete75

I can't understand why politicians are not liked and receive such bad publicity???

CREWJ

And here I was complaining about only a 2% increase

Wurzel

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How do you work that out?

When I was in the army food and accomadation was deducted from our monthly salary.
Also as an NCO you get mess bills just for the priviledge of being an NCO.

alcazar

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But how much is deducted?
And what are the mess bills?

Don't they still get heavily subsidised travel? And tax-free cars or something?

As with MP's, the full story isn't the salary.

pacenote

Indeed, they can get shot..

nik52wrx

1%, it could be a hell of a lot worse.
I'm a hard worker and several years ago due to the down turn i had to take a 10% cut
Now things are improving I'm starting to claw it back.

stilover

While it may be an insult, where is the extra money going to come from?

Much is said about how hard hit the public sector workers are only getting 1-2% pay rises, but what about the private sector? I, as well as a lot of people I know, haven't had a pay rise since 2008. That's 0%.

While it may not be much, 1% for the last few years is much better than nothing.

JonMc

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The living expenses are subsidised but are deducted from those salaries, that is of course assuming you want to eat food that is portion controlled to the point that it never fills you up and in a lot of cases the accommodation is still sub-standard.

Of course you can buy your own house the same as everyone else and if you are married you may have subsidised rent but you still have to pay a council tax charge that is averaged out for the UK, gas and electric in some of the most inefficient houses in the country and pay for your shopping the same as everyone else. Don't believe the bluff that what you get you keep.

And lets not start on work related travel that always leaves you out of pocket...

JonMc

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The Armed Forces used to have an independant pay review body but look what happened when they recommended a rise above the 1%...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ng-troops.html

Felix.

Watched Question Time last night and heard them stating that the government should have the right not to implement the recommendations that independent pay panels come up with.

Yet, they stated the complete opposite when they argued about getting their pay rise "....ooh well, we have had this independent pay review and this is what they have recommended, so we can't go back on their findings.."

The Trooper 1815

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Err, yes we do pay living expenses from source.

The wages quoted are all up, before tax, Charge In Lieu of Council Tax (CILOCT), Accommodation Charges, the guys then have a Pay as You Dine Charge and there is not much left.

We are better off in Afghanistan getting shot at!

Even married guys pay Council Tax, Water Rates, Gas, Electric, etc etc.