The truth about immigration
07 January 2014, 06:45 PM
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The truth about immigration
Tonight on BBC2 9.30
Obviously haven't seen it yet, but my prediction of it will be, "immigrants bring lots of economic benefits to this country so what's your problem?" "Yes there's been a lot but its been wonderful for everyone"
Also wonder how many complaints it will generate, my guess is over 100...
Obviously haven't seen it yet, but my prediction of it will be, "immigrants bring lots of economic benefits to this country so what's your problem?" "Yes there's been a lot but its been wonderful for everyone"
Also wonder how many complaints it will generate, my guess is over 100...
07 January 2014, 08:04 PM
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07 January 2014, 08:30 PM
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The truth is
1. It highlights how we are failing to train the future workforce
2. Cheap labour keeps costs down
3. If an immigrant is working in your sector "lowering wages" it sucks.
1. It highlights how we are failing to train the future workforce
2. Cheap labour keeps costs down
3. If an immigrant is working in your sector "lowering wages" it sucks.
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07 January 2014, 10:05 PM
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07 January 2014, 10:25 PM
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Well I think I pretty much nailed it. No mention of "rubbing the rights noses in diversity" I see, no film clips of people in Boston, Leicester, Luton or Bradford, no talk of muslim vigilante patrols, just a whole load of talking heads saying they got it wrong but its for the good of the country. Pretty much the first immigrant they talked to said how he liked getting the benefits, but no discussion on the numbers of immigrants out of work or claiming benefits. Same old BBC
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07 January 2014, 10:49 PM
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07 January 2014, 10:49 PM
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indeed, the mp's make the wage law's, and we all know they are shareholders in said companies, as for the immigrant's if the choose to they can earn more than the min wage begging on the street's, anyone remember the name of the begger in london who they estimated was on 25-30 grand a year begging, the benefit's agency took him to court and made him pay back his benefit's
08 January 2014, 12:37 AM
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08 January 2014, 06:32 AM
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Yes, any training needs to be government led and incentivised like the old YTS scheme, which incidentally was criticised and branded as cheap labour, but it taught me to weld at a training centre and got me a job at a tool hire firm as a service technician, both skills I have made use of for over 30yrs.
I'm not so sure that an extra £10 would prise our current crop of benefits scroungers off the couch and away from the 40" flat screen as life is too good, most seem to think they are entitled to at least £500 a week in wages before they would even consider working, lets be fair if they have 3 kids and a fat **** mrs to support they're better off not going to work, which is why they don't.
Government and industry are well aware of this and presumably of the costs involved to train people hence the current situation, importing is unfortunately cheaper than growing your own.
I'm not so sure that an extra £10 would prise our current crop of benefits scroungers off the couch and away from the 40" flat screen as life is too good, most seem to think they are entitled to at least £500 a week in wages before they would even consider working, lets be fair if they have 3 kids and a fat **** mrs to support they're better off not going to work, which is why they don't.
Government and industry are well aware of this and presumably of the costs involved to train people hence the current situation, importing is unfortunately cheaper than growing your own.
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08 January 2014, 06:48 AM
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Yes, any training needs to be government led and incentivised like the old YTS scheme, which incidentally was criticised and branded as cheap labour, but it taught me to weld at a training centre and got me a job at a tool hire firm as a service technician, both skills I have made use of for over 30yrs.
I'm not so sure that an extra £10 would prise our current crop of benefits scroungers off the couch and away from the 40" flat screen as life is too good, most seem to think they are entitled to at least £500 a week in wages before they would even consider working, lets be fair if they have 3 kids and a fat **** mrs to support they're better off not going to work, which is why they don't.
Government and industry are well aware of this and presumably of the costs involved to train people hence the current situation, importing is unfortunately cheaper than growing your own.
I'm not so sure that an extra £10 would prise our current crop of benefits scroungers off the couch and away from the 40" flat screen as life is too good, most seem to think they are entitled to at least £500 a week in wages before they would even consider working, lets be fair if they have 3 kids and a fat **** mrs to support they're better off not going to work, which is why they don't.
Government and industry are well aware of this and presumably of the costs involved to train people hence the current situation, importing is unfortunately cheaper than growing your own.
08 January 2014, 07:55 AM
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I don't blame anything on maggie, she was VERY good for me.
I think your mis-understanding my point, I actually think the YTS was a good thing, I only did the first one while waiting to start college, after the first year at college I decided that I didn't like the course I was on or the direction it would take me in employment wise, but because YTS existed I was able to get a job which was hands on AND still go to college once a week to further my studies as well as being able use my credits from the first year of studying to complete my diploma, which is something that would have been virtually impossible had the YTS not existed.
My other point being I doubt very many in this day and age would take the opportunity for such a small increase in pay, most of my extra tenner was taken up in lunch money and I had to walk almost 2 miles to work as there was no direct bus route, can you see some burberry wearing tennants drinking chav doing that today.
I think your mis-understanding my point, I actually think the YTS was a good thing, I only did the first one while waiting to start college, after the first year at college I decided that I didn't like the course I was on or the direction it would take me in employment wise, but because YTS existed I was able to get a job which was hands on AND still go to college once a week to further my studies as well as being able use my credits from the first year of studying to complete my diploma, which is something that would have been virtually impossible had the YTS not existed.
My other point being I doubt very many in this day and age would take the opportunity for such a small increase in pay, most of my extra tenner was taken up in lunch money and I had to walk almost 2 miles to work as there was no direct bus route, can you see some burberry wearing tennants drinking chav doing that today.
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08 January 2014, 09:58 AM
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4. How inept some our our workforce are
My wife works getting long term unemployed back into work (and actually covers the area in Birm as portrayed on Benefits Steet) and I'm sorry to say that the people she sees generally display no want to get back into employment and are quite happy turning up, wasting time, being abusive and thinking they are entitled to benefits.
08 January 2014, 10:00 AM
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The sad aspect of this is that Tory voters will vote for UKIP, who have no chance of winning, which will then install another disastrous Labour government in to power.
Immigration, EU based or not is now ranked as one of the highest voter issues alongside the economy. For whatever reason, the Tory’s will probably tear themselves apart arguing about it, whilst Labour sit on the side lines and just poke a stick in to further inflame the situation, whilst not committing to any policy on the matter at all. The curve ball, as I see it is DC’s commitment to a referendum on our membership of the EU, if that commitment will be further enforced, and thus back Labour in to a corner, as they don’t want one. Why would you vote for UKIP, if the Tory’s are going to allow you to vote on the issue anyway? Continued membership and immigration are, as far as I see it, one of the same thing.
Immigration, EU based or not is now ranked as one of the highest voter issues alongside the economy. For whatever reason, the Tory’s will probably tear themselves apart arguing about it, whilst Labour sit on the side lines and just poke a stick in to further inflame the situation, whilst not committing to any policy on the matter at all. The curve ball, as I see it is DC’s commitment to a referendum on our membership of the EU, if that commitment will be further enforced, and thus back Labour in to a corner, as they don’t want one. Why would you vote for UKIP, if the Tory’s are going to allow you to vote on the issue anyway? Continued membership and immigration are, as far as I see it, one of the same thing.
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The sad aspect of this is that Tory voters will vote for UKIP, who have no chance of winning, which will then install another disastrous Labour government in to power.
Immigration, EU based or not is now ranked as one of the highest voter issues alongside the economy. For whatever reason, the Tory’s will probably tear themselves apart arguing about it, whilst Labour sit on the side lines and just poke a stick in to further inflame the situation, whilst not committing to any policy on the matter at all. The curve ball, as I see it is DC’s commitment to a referendum on our membership of the EU, if that commitment will be further enforced, and thus back Labour in to a corner, as they don’t want one. Why would you vote for UKIP, if the Tory’s are going to allow you to vote on the issue anyway? Continued membership and immigration are, as far as I see it, one of the same thing.
Immigration, EU based or not is now ranked as one of the highest voter issues alongside the economy. For whatever reason, the Tory’s will probably tear themselves apart arguing about it, whilst Labour sit on the side lines and just poke a stick in to further inflame the situation, whilst not committing to any policy on the matter at all. The curve ball, as I see it is DC’s commitment to a referendum on our membership of the EU, if that commitment will be further enforced, and thus back Labour in to a corner, as they don’t want one. Why would you vote for UKIP, if the Tory’s are going to allow you to vote on the issue anyway? Continued membership and immigration are, as far as I see it, one of the same thing.