for you plane fans (spitfire)
19 July 2013, 08:19 PM
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Don't care for that version of the Spit because its not standard as it came out of the factory and was converted into a two seater. Just not cricket in my book dear boy.
19 July 2013, 08:35 PM
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19 July 2013, 09:14 PM
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20 July 2013, 12:24 AM
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I see that plane flying regularly 
Went shopping a few weeks ago and was treated to an impromptu display from one of these Spitfire's doing low dives and banks at the Chichester end of the circuit
Mart
Went shopping a few weeks ago and was treated to an impromptu display from one of these Spitfire's doing low dives and banks at the Chichester end of the circuit
Mart
20 July 2013, 01:07 PM
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Lots were rebuilt after damage, and lots where retro fitted with upgrades and modifications during active service
20 July 2013, 02:56 PM
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I still grind my teeth when I think of the time that I was offered the chance to fly the Rolls Royce Spitfire only for the opportunity to be lost because of circumstances which could not be helped.
The fact that the aircraft mentioned has been modified to be a twin seater with dual control really does not disqualify the machine from still being essentially that wonderful aircraft to which we owe so much in company with the Hurricane and the Lancaster.
It is still the original airframe which was constructed at the factory and has only been comparatively slightly modified from the original design. The handling will still be virtually the same as the original and the fact that it is in existence makes it possible for more pilots to be safely checked out safely to fly it.
I have flown a good few aircraft which were either solo versions or dual control modified with virtually indistinguishable flying characteristics.
If I was offered a flight in the dual control version of the Spitfire I would be leaving black lines down the road getting to the airfield!
Les
The fact that the aircraft mentioned has been modified to be a twin seater with dual control really does not disqualify the machine from still being essentially that wonderful aircraft to which we owe so much in company with the Hurricane and the Lancaster.
It is still the original airframe which was constructed at the factory and has only been comparatively slightly modified from the original design. The handling will still be virtually the same as the original and the fact that it is in existence makes it possible for more pilots to be safely checked out safely to fly it.
I have flown a good few aircraft which were either solo versions or dual control modified with virtually indistinguishable flying characteristics.
If I was offered a flight in the dual control version of the Spitfire I would be leaving black lines down the road getting to the airfield!
Les
20 July 2013, 05:28 PM
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20 July 2013, 07:30 PM
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Rubbish, there were no two seater Spitfires used in action and there were no two seater Spitfires in existence during 1939-45.
21 July 2013, 06:47 PM
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A spit and a Lancaster flew directly over us at a very low height yesterday here in Donington,lincs where we are for the MIL's birthday. I told her I'd arranged it for her birthday. 
21 July 2013, 06:55 PM
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I still grind my teeth when I think of the time that I was offered the chance to fly the Rolls Royce Spitfire only for the opportunity to be lost because of circumstances which could not be helped.
The fact that the aircraft mentioned has been modified to be a twin seater with dual control really does not disqualify the machine from still being essentially that wonderful aircraft to which we owe so much in company with the Hurricane and the Lancaster.
It is still the original airframe which was constructed at the factory and has only been comparatively slightly modified from the original design. The handling will still be virtually the same as the original and the fact that it is in existence makes it possible for more pilots to be safely checked out safely to fly it.
I have flown a good few aircraft which were either solo versions or dual control modified with virtually indistinguishable flying characteristics.
If I was offered a flight in the dual control version of the Spitfire I would be leaving black lines down the road getting to the airfield!
Les
The fact that the aircraft mentioned has been modified to be a twin seater with dual control really does not disqualify the machine from still being essentially that wonderful aircraft to which we owe so much in company with the Hurricane and the Lancaster.
It is still the original airframe which was constructed at the factory and has only been comparatively slightly modified from the original design. The handling will still be virtually the same as the original and the fact that it is in existence makes it possible for more pilots to be safely checked out safely to fly it.
I have flown a good few aircraft which were either solo versions or dual control modified with virtually indistinguishable flying characteristics.
If I was offered a flight in the dual control version of the Spitfire I would be leaving black lines down the road getting to the airfield!
Les
21 July 2013, 07:07 PM
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I'm a firm believer that any surviving Spitfire should be kept original as possible and as a mark of respect should be in the original squadron markings and colours of the era, and not be molested and converted to two seats.
Its the same with classic or vintage racing cars, must be kept original as possible or it is just disrespectful to the original design.
Its the same with classic or vintage racing cars, must be kept original as possible or it is just disrespectful to the original design.
21 July 2013, 07:17 PM
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21 July 2013, 07:45 PM
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now that id like to see inverness was a pretty small town 30 ish years ago and the shaks used to use it as a turning point out of lossie i had the drone every day - ps was there not something mad about the prop ? - i now live outside inverness and one crashed up here after losing an engine over the firth - ive tried to track it down
21 July 2013, 08:43 PM
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now that id like to see inverness was a pretty small town 30 ish years ago and the shaks used to use it as a turning point out of lossie i had the drone every day - ps was there not something mad about the prop ? - i now live outside inverness and one crashed up here after losing an engine over the firth - ive tried to track it down
22 July 2013, 10:16 PM
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I will repeat it here
"Very few spitfires ended up as they left the factory
Lots were rebuilt after damage, and lots where retro fitted with upgrades and modifications during active service"
23 July 2013, 07:12 PM
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23 July 2013, 07:37 PM
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"Supermarine developed a two-seat variant known as the T Mk VIII to be used for training, but none were ordered, and only one example was ever constructed (identified as N32/G-AIDN by Supermarine).[130] In the absence of an official two-seater variant, a number of airframes were crudely converted in the field. These included a 4 Squadron SAAF Mk VB in North Africa, where a second seat was fitted instead of the upper fuel tank in front of the cockpit, although it was not a dual-control aircraft and is thought to have been used as the squadron "run-about."[131] The only unofficial two-seat conversions that were fitted with dual-controls were a small number of Russian lend/lease Mk IX aircraft. These were referred to as Mk IX UTI and differed from the Supermarine proposals by using an inline "greenhouse" style double canopy rather than the raised "bubble" type of the T Mk VIII."
Presumably, when the aircrew where converting these aircraft, in the searing heat of the Sahara desert you would be sitting at the back of the hangar whining, "why can't these be left as they left the factory"
Shortly before you we're told to "wind your neck in and fvck off"
Presumably, when the aircrew where converting these aircraft, in the searing heat of the Sahara desert you would be sitting at the back of the hangar whining, "why can't these be left as they left the factory"
Shortly before you we're told to "wind your neck in and fvck off"
23 July 2013, 08:08 PM
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"Supermarine developed a two-seat variant known as the T Mk VIII to be used for training, but none were ordered, and only one example was ever constructed (identified as N32/G-AIDN by Supermarine).[130] In the absence of an official two-seater variant, a number of airframes were crudely converted in the field. These included a 4 Squadron SAAF Mk VB in North Africa, where a second seat was fitted instead of the upper fuel tank in front of the cockpit, although it was not a dual-control aircraft and is thought to have been used as the squadron "run-about."[131] The only unofficial two-seat conversions that were fitted with dual-controls were a small number of Russian lend/lease Mk IX aircraft. These were referred to as Mk IX UTI and differed from the Supermarine proposals by using an inline "greenhouse" style double canopy rather than the raised "bubble" type of the T Mk VIII."
Presumably, when the aircrew where converting these aircraft, in the searing heat of the Sahara desert you would be sitting at the back of the hangar whining, "why can't these be left as they left the factory"
Shortly before you we're told to "wind your neck in and fvck off"
Presumably, when the aircrew where converting these aircraft, in the searing heat of the Sahara desert you would be sitting at the back of the hangar whining, "why can't these be left as they left the factory"
Shortly before you we're told to "wind your neck in and fvck off"
23 July 2013, 08:29 PM
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23 July 2013, 10:55 PM
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R.J. Mitchell died on June 11, 1937, before his masterpiece entered RAF service. He was just 42 years old.
He did not design the Spit as a 2 seater himself
Joe Smith became chief designer in succession to Mitchell, and he presided over the basic concept’s continuous development and improvement. The capability of the basic design, suitably developed, to accommodate ever more powerful engines and carrying ever more armament to greater heights and over increased ranges of the original design
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A two-seat training version of the Battle of Britain Spitfire was first considered in 1941, but barely a handful of local service conversions were made before 1946. A post-war batch of 20 Mark IX airframes were then converted into two-seat form as the Type 509 model, for supply most notably to the Indian and Irish air forces, while three TR Mk IXs were also acquired by the Royal Dutch Air Force, in whose livery ‘G-ILDA’ is finished today.
He did not design the Spit as a 2 seater himself
Joe Smith became chief designer in succession to Mitchell, and he presided over the basic concept’s continuous development and improvement. The capability of the basic design, suitably developed, to accommodate ever more powerful engines and carrying ever more armament to greater heights and over increased ranges of the original design
AND ..
A two-seat training version of the Battle of Britain Spitfire was first considered in 1941, but barely a handful of local service conversions were made before 1946. A post-war batch of 20 Mark IX airframes were then converted into two-seat form as the Type 509 model, for supply most notably to the Indian and Irish air forces, while three TR Mk IXs were also acquired by the Royal Dutch Air Force, in whose livery ‘G-ILDA’ is finished today.