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Old 19 July 2013, 04:23 PM
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Default Detroit bankrupcy, makes you think.

1. Public sector pensions unsustainable.
2. Property price madness (check rightmove Detroit)
3. Terrible leadership by public officials, and there's nothing you can do
4. Could it happen here?
5. Who takes the 18bn hit?
6. Where is there thats safe to put your money?
Old 19 July 2013, 04:54 PM
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#2 - see what you mean.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-...e/Detroit.html
Old 19 July 2013, 05:00 PM
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Re 4. Are we still borrowing more than we are paying back? I believe our debt is still rising, so yes I think it could happen here, some say it will happen here. I don't understand or know enough to say either way, but I understand that if you keep borrowing money, at some point you have to pay it back, and if interest rates rise, we are pretty much down the river without a paddle.
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I'm off to buy some property at those prices.
Old 19 July 2013, 05:59 PM
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A quarter of a million people moved out of Detroit.............I guess they took their money with them !
Old 19 July 2013, 08:15 PM
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I was staggered by the unemployment figure

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Old 19 July 2013, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
Re 4. Are we still borrowing more than we are paying back? I believe our debt is still rising, so yes I think it could happen here, some say it will happen here. I don't understand or know enough to say either way, but I understand that if you keep borrowing money, at some point you have to pay it back, and if interest rates rise, we are pretty much down the river without a paddle.
Don't worry about it.I saw Dave on TV watching the cricket at Lords so everything must be ok.

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Old 19 July 2013, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
Re 4. Are we still borrowing more than we are paying back? I believe our debt is still rising, so yes I think it could happen here, some say it will happen here. I don't understand or know enough to say either way, but I understand that if you keep borrowing money, at some point you have to pay it back, and if interest rates rise, we are pretty much down the river without a paddle.
Yes you are correct. The figures are roughly 750bn pa spending and 650bn income, for an overspend (or "deficit" as its called in the news) of 100bn pa. The UK has doubled its debt over the last 5-6 years
Old 19 July 2013, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Yes you are correct. The figures are roughly 750bn pa spending and 650bn income, for an overspend (or "deficit" as its called in the news) of 100bn pa. The UK has doubled its debt over the last 5-6 years
It's only a matter of time then, rather than if. I watched a rather long and drawn out thing on the interweb the other week saying that when the bubble does burst, the government will nationalise our pensions to get their hands on our money, and there will be sweet fa you can do about it?
Old 19 July 2013, 10:23 PM
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£12k for that house!!! would you be buying a debt aswell ? or would it be a massive investment? could you loose out
Old 19 July 2013, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mouser
Originally Posted by Frosticles
I'm off to buy some property at those prices.
I don't get it, so many are listed as bought by investors. It seems plenty expect a recovery and make a decent profit on those prices. Add to that their rental income and it's quids in.

BUT is their going to be a recovery for Detroit? The US aren't exactly great at looking after ruined cities, New Orleans being one example and that's before it was destroyed by the hurricane.

Detroit's been screwed ever since the motor industry died there so what is there to bring it back from the dead? The US will just continue to let it rot.
Old 19 July 2013, 11:55 PM
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£12k for that house!!! would you be buying a debt aswell ? or would it be a massive investment? could you loose out
1. You buy the house
2. You can't get any tenants
3. It gets ransacked by gangs
4. You have to pay the highest local taxes in the us
5. You can't sell it as its in a 88% black area, where crime is rife, and there's no jobs.
6. You learn the whole street is empty of residents
7. So you have a property worth zero, that you can't sell or rent out, but still have to pay 2.5k per annum local property taxes, in an area where crime is rife.

(Google Detroit property as an investment, lots of stories like this)
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Twice the floorpan of somewhere in S***thorpe though.
Old 20 July 2013, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by paulr
1. You buy the house
2. You can't get any tenants
3. It gets ransacked by gangs
4. You have to pay the highest local taxes in the us
5. You can't sell it as its in a 88% black area, where crime is rife, and there's no jobs.
6. You learn the whole street is empty of residents
7. So you have a property worth zero, that you can't sell or rent out, but still have to pay 2.5k per annum local property taxes, in an area where crime is rife.

(Google Detroit property as an investment, lots of stories like this)
I suspect this is just as it is.

If they were worth having they would already have been snapped up.
Old 20 July 2013, 07:27 AM
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Buy a house there and rent it out to members of SN who want to see the motor city up close till the market gets better ? Just a thought lol
Old 20 July 2013, 10:27 AM
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I never knew it was this bad!
Old 20 July 2013, 11:25 AM
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Just curious, is the $2.5k annual property tax like our council tax then?

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