"Life meaning life" sentences breaches murder's human rights. Yep, commit murder, get sent down for life (and actually mean it) and its a "inhuman and degrading treatment". How out of touch can you get?! What happened to sanity?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sentences.html

 

The whole system is too soft. Bring back hanging, flogging and the stocks. All in public too.

 

That's absurd - why on earth do we listen to the ECHR?

 

Did anybody actually read the whole article?

 

Yes, what's your point?

 

All part of the EU deal!

 

It doesn't mean they will actually be released.

It does mean there is more of an incentive for them to behave while they are in prison.

I don't have any objection to some 80 year old who killed when they were 20 being released.

dl

 

It gives them hope, why should they be given that luxury?

 

What's wrong with life meaning life? That was supposed to be the trade off for the abolition of the death penalty

 

Just giving my opinion

dl

 

Interesting response

Why are you so against people having some kind of hope?

btw since when was hope a luxury?

I fully agree with far tougher sentences, and for some people that must mean they will never get out...

But if someone is truly reformed and can be safely integrated back into society after a long period of imprisonment, why would you oppose that (assuming you do of course)?

 

You're entitled to it, even if it is wrong

 

Even if it was an immediate family member they murdered?

 

People can. Sadistic mass murders, no.

Living in a world full of restrictions and having no end in sight in your lifetime, I would call having even a remote hope of getting out, a luxury, no? It's what would keep most people going. This denial of even that hope is part of their sentence.

The people we are talking about aren't just normal folk who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or driven to terrible acts out of desperation. They are largely mass murders and are(were?) evil - 'reformed' or not, they should not be let out, if nothing else than for the peace of the relatives of the victims.

 

Are they ever truly reformed?
Could you really ever trust them, like for example the person here - he murdered five family members.

 

I might be misinterpreting you here, so correct me if I'm wrong

It appears that you are advocating that the state acts with cruelty. I'm not sure that's something I'd want done in my name. Punishment yes definitely. Cruely no way, and for what purpose?

 

Impossible for me to answer that.

We have trained professionals who are paid to make those judgements

 

I understand, but like you say, it is purely a judgement at the end of the day.

 

Wouldn't it be cruel to a mother for them to see their child's killer smiling away while dining in some restaurant?

 

Or maybe laughing in-front of the child's grave??

We can all dream up ghoulish scenarios, that doesn't change the basic point. The state has to act like a state and seek punishment and justice, not as a cruel and industrument for victims revenge.

 

I disagree that it's cruel to keep mass-murderers and baby-killers locked away for their whole lives.

 

'baby-killers' LOL

I agree

It's the non-hope part that is cruel

 

Well by implication, if they are given a life-means-life sentence, they have no hope of getting released.

Why 'baby-killlers LOL'? Those are the kinds of people we are dealing with here!

Edit: I apologise, Child Killers, is that better

 

I think he means quite literally baby killers - as in wee babies murdering left right and centre, hence the LOL

 

No it was the need so sink to 'tabloidese' that caused the LOL

 

Do you know what, I'd place a £100 bet that if we were ever to hold such an event, say at Wembley Stadium, it would be a sell-out. Also if somebody were to be flogged at lunchtime in a town or city centre, many office dwellers would go out to watch, whilst eating their Sub of the Day and packet of crisps.

 

I have no doubt this is true. What does that say about some people in this country??

 

suffering and humiliation for public enjoyment!!

isn't that the basic premise of Britain's Got Talent

 

Can't see the problem. Don't do the crime if you can't take the consequences. I'd quite happily see a thief who ransacked my house and stole everything, or stole my car sit in the stocks for a week getting pelted with sh1te. I doubt very much he'd do it again.

What happens now? Maybe a tag? Not much of a deterrent there is there.

 

Forget that, Sharia Law is what you want, that way we can all take part.