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09 July 2013, 10:53 AM
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Latest ruling from the ECHR
"Life meaning life" sentences breaches murder's human rights. Yep, commit murder, get sent down for life (and actually mean it) and its a "inhuman and degrading treatment". How out of touch can you get?! What happened to sanity?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sentences.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sentences.html
09 July 2013, 10:55 AM
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The whole system is too soft. Bring back hanging, flogging and the stocks. All in public too. 
09 July 2013, 11:19 AM
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It doesn't mean they will actually be released.
It does mean there is more of an incentive for them to behave while they are in prison.
I don't have any objection to some 80 year old who killed when they were 20 being released.
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It does mean there is more of an incentive for them to behave while they are in prison.
I don't have any objection to some 80 year old who killed when they were 20 being released.
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09 July 2013, 11:30 AM
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What's wrong with life meaning life? That was supposed to be the trade off for the abolition of the death penalty
09 July 2013, 11:34 AM
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Interesting response
Why are you so against people having some kind of hope?
btw since when was hope a luxury?
I fully agree with far tougher sentences, and for some people that must mean they will never get out...
But if someone is truly reformed and can be safely integrated back into society after a long period of imprisonment, why would you oppose that (assuming you do of course)?
Why are you so against people having some kind of hope?
btw since when was hope a luxury?
I fully agree with far tougher sentences, and for some people that must mean they will never get out...
But if someone is truly reformed and can be safely integrated back into society after a long period of imprisonment, why would you oppose that (assuming you do of course)?
09 July 2013, 11:39 AM
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People can. Sadistic mass murders, no.
Living in a world full of restrictions and having no end in sight in your lifetime, I would call having even a remote hope of getting out, a luxury, no? It's what would keep most people going. This denial of even that hope is part of their sentence.
The people we are talking about aren't just normal folk who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or driven to terrible acts out of desperation. They are largely mass murders and are(were?) evil - 'reformed' or not, they should not be let out, if nothing else than for the peace of the relatives of the victims.
btw since when was hope a luxury?
I fully agree with far tougher sentences, and for some people that must mean they will never get out...
But if someone is truly reformed and can be safely integrated back into society after a long period of imprisonment, why would you oppose that (assuming you do of course)?
But if someone is truly reformed and can be safely integrated back into society after a long period of imprisonment, why would you oppose that (assuming you do of course)?
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09 July 2013, 11:49 AM
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People can. Sadistic mass murders, no.
Living in a world full of restrictions and having no end in sight in your lifetime, I would call having even a remote hope of getting out, a luxury, no? It's what would keep most people going. This denial of even that hope is part of their sentence.
The people we are talking about aren't just normal folk who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or driven to terrible acts out of desperation. They are largely mass murders and are(were?) evil - 'reformed' or not, they should not be let out, if nothing else than for the peace of the relatives of the victims.
Living in a world full of restrictions and having no end in sight in your lifetime, I would call having even a remote hope of getting out, a luxury, no? It's what would keep most people going. This denial of even that hope is part of their sentence.
The people we are talking about aren't just normal folk who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or driven to terrible acts out of desperation. They are largely mass murders and are(were?) evil - 'reformed' or not, they should not be let out, if nothing else than for the peace of the relatives of the victims.
It appears that you are advocating that the state acts with cruelty. I'm not sure that's something I'd want done in my name. Punishment yes definitely. Cruely no way, and for what purpose?
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09 July 2013, 11:50 AM
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09 July 2013, 11:59 AM
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Wouldn't it be cruel to a mother for them to see their child's killer smiling away while dining in some restaurant?
09 July 2013, 12:06 PM
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We can all dream up ghoulish scenarios, that doesn't change the basic point. The state has to act like a state and seek punishment and justice, not as a cruel and industrument for victims revenge.
09 July 2013, 12:12 PM
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09 July 2013, 12:23 PM
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Well by implication, if they are given a life-means-life sentence, they have no hope of getting released.
Why 'baby-killlers LOL'? Those are the kinds of people we are dealing with here!
Edit: I apologise, Child Killers, is that better
Why 'baby-killlers LOL'? Those are the kinds of people we are dealing with here!
Edit: I apologise, Child Killers, is that better
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09 July 2013, 01:01 PM
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09 July 2013, 01:06 PM
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Do you know what, I'd place a £100 bet that if we were ever to hold such an event, say at Wembley Stadium, it would be a sell-out. Also if somebody were to be flogged at lunchtime in a town or city centre, many office dwellers would go out to watch, whilst eating their Sub of the Day and packet of crisps.
09 July 2013, 01:11 PM
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Do you know what, I'd place a £100 bet that if we were ever to hold such an event, say at Wembley Stadium, it would be a sell-out. Also if somebody were to be flogged at lunchtime in a town or city centre, many office dwellers would go out to watch, whilst eating their Sub of the Day and packet of crisps.
09 July 2013, 01:24 PM
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Do you know what, I'd place a £100 bet that if we were ever to hold such an event, say at Wembley Stadium, it would be a sell-out. Also if somebody were to be flogged at lunchtime in a town or city centre, many office dwellers would go out to watch, whilst eating their Sub of the Day and packet of crisps.
isn't that the basic premise of Britain's Got Talent
09 July 2013, 01:25 PM
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What happens now? Maybe a tag? Not much of a deterrent there is there.
09 July 2013, 01:27 PM
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