tony de wonderful

They are gonna crack down on it by charging a £200 levy on visas.

http://news.sky.com/story/1110819/he...e-200-nhs-levy

But Doctors apparently can't check eligibility even though most countries do some checking. You need a medicare number to get treatment in Australia for example, and you pay a fee if you are on a tourist visa IIRC to cover any health care expenses.

And 'asylum seekers' still get everything free on the taxpayers dime (of course).

urban

iTrader: (1)

Its about time we introduced this kind of thing to the NHS.

However, it would have been more simple to be free to UK citizens, and chargeable to all others.

dpb

I'd like to see you getting by on an asylum seekers allowance lol

You'd be bitching more than you do all ready, if that were possible

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I'd like to see us do what the other EC countries do: you pay for it at point of need, then claim it back from your own country.

Then you ONLY get what you have paid for in your own country, and what they allow.

This is another TINY,TINY sop that will do almost nothing to stop the haemorraging of money to foreigners by the NHS.

Cue, the usual suspects to come on in full "Fast Show Politician mode", and say, "No it's not happening, No, it doesn't, No it hasn't etc etc etc.

Denial is just another form of lying.

tony de wonderful

I don't think anyone is denying it, just the accusation is that one is a 'xenophobe' if one wants to make foreigners pay at point of access.

Martin2005

I see you are already conceeding the argument to those who might actually rely on facts before making statements.

I heard the Health Secretary this morning stating that this could be a £30m issue...I thought to myself, is that all?? Why allt he fuss then??
Then I read your comments and a realised exactly why they are pretending to do something about this; because it's good politics to appear to demonise immigrants and foreigners!

dpb

Tdw fodder

dpb

0.003 of our yearly bribe money or overseas aid as some would have it

tony de wonderful

The cost isn't known because there is nobody auditing it, but would you say that other countries like France, Germany, Australia, USA, etc., are demonising immigrants and foreigners because they don't offer a free international health service?

Martin2005

No I wouldn't.

The demonising has nothing to do with the health service, it's just the most recent and convenient vehicle being used by the government and others for that purpose

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

If the government and their press can convince people that nearly all the problems in the UK are caused by immigration then they

a) don't have to do anything about the real problems

and

b) can win an election by promising action on immigration.

I have emailed them to let them know that the proof that their scheme is working can be found daily in SN NSR

urban

iTrader: (1)

Non UK citizens should have to pay for any health care - end of.

jonc

Is the Government really 'demonising' immigration or are you just going by what the media has said? You tell people not believe everything you see in the media, and yet here you are sharing the same view point on this issue. I doubt the Government shares yours or the media's point of view. I don't see you or anyone else for that matter complaining about the Government 'demonising' companies in the media that choose to be tax efficient do you?

Health tourism is one of many problems the Government are trying to tackle. The media picks this out and now the Government is demonising. £30million may not sound like a lot to you in the grand scheme of things but this can mean the difference of whether some sick or vulnerable British citizens who have paid their tax and NI all their lives gets treatment or a bed in a ward.

Rather than the Government doing the demonising, perhaps it's the media who have an agenda whilst selling a few more sheets of paper.

dpb

That's right deny anybody who's countries we've plundered the basic treatment your home grown never worked dole snatcher expects from birth

tony de wonderful

So you're saying it should be an international health service for the whole world then...just paid for by British tax payers?!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

ooh, ooh, right, tell me when we "plundered" Lithuania? Latvia? The Ukraine? Bulgaria?

FRANCE???

One of your dafter posts.

dpb

We Havnt, well not for a while anyway

But this isn't about eu citizens, as far as im aware

tony de wonderful

Ukraine is not in the EU.

dpb

Hang on ,ok., I'll just inform a girlfriend, Oksana

Really, go vote ukip if you think it'll make a difference

JTaylor

Amongst fairly stiff competition it has to be said.

dpb

Give us an answer then Mr Taylor

Mouser

Are you speaking from experience?

dpb

I am

Mouser

Where did you originally come from and what were your expectations?

dpb

Is this an interrogation ?

Mouser

O.k. forget where you came from originally. What were you expecting when you arrived?

dpb

Mouser, it's the girlfriend, she came from Zim, and she didn't come for the health benefits

Mouser

She will still get health care if required.

dpb

Indeed

cster

He does like to set the bar high.