Afghan interpreters to get right to live in UK
22 May 2013, 03:05 PM
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Afghan interpreters to get right to live in UK
22 May 2013, 04:08 PM
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Suppose it saves them having to sneak in illegally. You're being brave advocating immigrants on here 
Served the front line with us then its only fair I say
Served the front line with us then its only fair I say
22 May 2013, 06:12 PM
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22 May 2013, 07:58 PM
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Nope. Disagree.
They've put their lives on the line, fair play.
However.....
They've been paid a VERY good wage, knew the risks, and took the money with their eyes open.
They did NOT do this for love of the UK HM Queen, etc. They did it for the money. They would have preferred to work for the Yanks (who paid more) anyway.
They have NO loyalty or even liking for the UK. Most will use UK asylum to move to Canada, USA, etc.
They were all recruited from Kabul, far far away from Helmand, thus reducing the intimidation risk.
There have been very few (under 10) claims of intimidation thus far, so is there a genuine problem?
We are talking of probably over 5,000 people, plus their families, so over 30,000 in total is quite possible. That’s a lot of Afghans – even if most of the Males do at least speak English!
They've put their lives on the line, fair play.
However.....
They've been paid a VERY good wage, knew the risks, and took the money with their eyes open.
They did NOT do this for love of the UK HM Queen, etc. They did it for the money. They would have preferred to work for the Yanks (who paid more) anyway.
They have NO loyalty or even liking for the UK. Most will use UK asylum to move to Canada, USA, etc.
They were all recruited from Kabul, far far away from Helmand, thus reducing the intimidation risk.
There have been very few (under 10) claims of intimidation thus far, so is there a genuine problem?
We are talking of probably over 5,000 people, plus their families, so over 30,000 in total is quite possible. That’s a lot of Afghans – even if most of the Males do at least speak English!
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22 May 2013, 08:24 PM
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600, read the stories of these two chaps in the link below, who did help us on the front lines, you might change your attitude, or because it doesnt directly effect you I guess you couldnt care. Theyre going to be sponging off us forever?
These guys are educated and want to make a better life for themselves, no reason why we shouldnt help them along that route.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22625887
These guys are educated and want to make a better life for themselves, no reason why we shouldnt help them along that route.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22625887
22 May 2013, 08:29 PM
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600, read the stories of these two chaps in the link below, who did help us on the front lines, you might change your attitude, or because it doesnt directly effect you I guess you couldnt care. Theyre going to be sponging off us forever?
These guys are educated and want to make a better life for themselves, no reason why we shouldnt help them along that route.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22625887
These guys are educated and want to make a better life for themselves, no reason why we shouldnt help them along that route.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22625887
I'm more than happy with that suggestion.
23 May 2013, 12:15 AM
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Nope. Disagree.
They've put their lives on the line, fair play.
However.....
They've been paid a VERY good wage, knew the risks, and took the money with their eyes open.
They did NOT do this for love of the UK HM Queen, etc. They did it for the money. They would have preferred to work for the Yanks (who paid more) anyway.
They have NO loyalty or even liking for the UK. Most will use UK asylum to move to Canada, USA, etc.
They were all recruited from Kabul, far far away from Helmand, thus reducing the intimidation risk.
There have been very few (under 10) claims of intimidation thus far, so is there a genuine problem?
We are talking of probably over 5,000 people, plus their families, so over 30,000 in total is quite possible. That’s a lot of Afghans – even if most of the Males do at least speak English!
They've put their lives on the line, fair play.
However.....
They've been paid a VERY good wage, knew the risks, and took the money with their eyes open.
They did NOT do this for love of the UK HM Queen, etc. They did it for the money. They would have preferred to work for the Yanks (who paid more) anyway.
They have NO loyalty or even liking for the UK. Most will use UK asylum to move to Canada, USA, etc.
They were all recruited from Kabul, far far away from Helmand, thus reducing the intimidation risk.
There have been very few (under 10) claims of intimidation thus far, so is there a genuine problem?
We are talking of probably over 5,000 people, plus their families, so over 30,000 in total is quite possible. That’s a lot of Afghans – even if most of the Males do at least speak English!
What they did was a job, a very brave job, but a job none the less. They didn't join the British Army, and they didn't carry out the work for the benefit of Britain. They did it for money, and the benefit of their own country.
Now if they had joined the British Army and worked under the rules and served like other members, then it would be a different story.
How many of them will end up on benefits, and how many will bring their extended family over? This is setting up the benefit system for one long kick in the nuts.
23 May 2013, 02:33 PM
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Agreed.
What they did was a job, a very brave job, but a job none the less. They didn't join the British Army, and they didn't carry out the work for the benefit of Britain. They did it for money, and the benefit of their own country.
Now if they had joined the British Army and worked under the rules and served like other members, then it would be a different story.
How many of them will end up on benefits, and how many will bring their extended family over? This is setting up the benefit system for one long kick in the nuts.
What they did was a job, a very brave job, but a job none the less. They didn't join the British Army, and they didn't carry out the work for the benefit of Britain. They did it for money, and the benefit of their own country.
Now if they had joined the British Army and worked under the rules and served like other members, then it would be a different story.
How many of them will end up on benefits, and how many will bring their extended family over? This is setting up the benefit system for one long kick in the nuts.
Our Services could not have succeeded in the job they were doing without the help they got from those people who were brave enough to offer their services knowing well enough the risks they were taking.
I think you should be ashamed of yourself for your uncaring comments.
Les
23 May 2013, 02:47 PM
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Just to put it into perspective.
I'm serving. Have been to Afghanistan twice and I'm going again this year, for 8 months. I've patrolled the green zone, on foot and been in contact. I have worked closely with the locals be it ANA, ANP or terps.
As this was announced the other day the majority of my unit were in disagreement with the decision. Some, but not many welcomed it.
If you've served on the front line in Helmand and have a different view to mine, fair enough. I'll accept that. However, I've personally worked with them and IMO some are ok (face value) and some are dodgy as you like. Either way, I wouldn't trust any of them but that's just my opinion.
I'm serving. Have been to Afghanistan twice and I'm going again this year, for 8 months. I've patrolled the green zone, on foot and been in contact. I have worked closely with the locals be it ANA, ANP or terps.
As this was announced the other day the majority of my unit were in disagreement with the decision. Some, but not many welcomed it.
If you've served on the front line in Helmand and have a different view to mine, fair enough. I'll accept that. However, I've personally worked with them and IMO some are ok (face value) and some are dodgy as you like. Either way, I wouldn't trust any of them but that's just my opinion.
23 May 2013, 02:50 PM
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Just to put it into perspective.
I'm serving. Have been to Afghanistan twice and I'm going again this year, for 8 months. I've patrolled the green zone, on foot and been in contact. I have worked closely with the locals be it ANA, ANP or terps.
As this was announced the other day the majority of my unit were in disagreement with the decision. Some, but not many welcomed it.
If you've served on the front line in Helmand and have a different view to mine, fair enough. I'll accept that. However, I've personally worked with them and IMO some are ok (face value) and some are dodgy as you like. Either way, I wouldn't trust any of them but that's just my opinion.
I'm serving. Have been to Afghanistan twice and I'm going again this year, for 8 months. I've patrolled the green zone, on foot and been in contact. I have worked closely with the locals be it ANA, ANP or terps.
As this was announced the other day the majority of my unit were in disagreement with the decision. Some, but not many welcomed it.
If you've served on the front line in Helmand and have a different view to mine, fair enough. I'll accept that. However, I've personally worked with them and IMO some are ok (face value) and some are dodgy as you like. Either way, I wouldn't trust any of them but that's just my opinion.
Unless you have served with interpreters, you will not have a clue about it, simple as that. People are commenting on it because they think all terps' are wonderful people that are only in it to help our troops. NOT TRUE.
23 May 2013, 05:30 PM
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Just to put it into perspective.
I'm serving. Have been to Afghanistan twice and I'm going again this year, for 8 months. I've patrolled the green zone, on foot and been in contact. I have worked closely with the locals be it ANA, ANP or terps.
As this was announced the other day the majority of my unit were in disagreement with the decision. Some, but not many welcomed it.
If you've served on the front line in Helmand and have a different view to mine, fair enough. I'll accept that. However, I've personally worked with them and IMO some are ok (face value) and some are dodgy as you like. Either way, I wouldn't trust any of them but that's just my opinion.
I'm serving. Have been to Afghanistan twice and I'm going again this year, for 8 months. I've patrolled the green zone, on foot and been in contact. I have worked closely with the locals be it ANA, ANP or terps.
As this was announced the other day the majority of my unit were in disagreement with the decision. Some, but not many welcomed it.
If you've served on the front line in Helmand and have a different view to mine, fair enough. I'll accept that. However, I've personally worked with them and IMO some are ok (face value) and some are dodgy as you like. Either way, I wouldn't trust any of them but that's just my opinion.
23 May 2013, 11:05 PM
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You must be a pretty ungrateful sort of person as well as very selfish.
Our Services could not have succeeded in the job they were doing without the help they got from those people who were brave enough to offer their services knowing well enough the risks they were taking.
I think you should be ashamed of yourself for your uncaring comments.
Les
Our Services could not have succeeded in the job they were doing without the help they got from those people who were brave enough to offer their services knowing well enough the risks they were taking.
I think you should be ashamed of yourself for your uncaring comments.
Les
The army may well be dependant upon the services of guides and interpreters, but that doesn't change the facts that the only reason they are doing it, is for money.
If the work was done on a voluntary basis, or on behalf of the army then they would have a legitimate moral claim, but it wasn't.
The army may have something to be grateful for, but as MoP I don't. There's nothing to be ashamed of when stating facts.
25 May 2013, 05:08 PM
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I'm not ungrateful at all, I'm thankful to the British soldiers who go out there and face death on a daily basis because they want to defend the country, our way of life and culture.
The army may well be dependant upon the services of guides and interpreters, but that doesn't change the facts that the only reason they are doing it, is for money.
If the work was done on a voluntary basis, or on behalf of the army then they would have a legitimate moral claim, but it wasn't.
The army may have something to be grateful for, but as MoP I don't. There's nothing to be ashamed of when stating facts.
The army may well be dependant upon the services of guides and interpreters, but that doesn't change the facts that the only reason they are doing it, is for money.
If the work was done on a voluntary basis, or on behalf of the army then they would have a legitimate moral claim, but it wasn't.
The army may have something to be grateful for, but as MoP I don't. There's nothing to be ashamed of when stating facts.
Quite unnecessary and even somewhat childish to talk them down in an effort to denigrate what they did.
Did you realise by the way that Soldiers,Sailors and Airmen actually get paid for being members of the Armed Services?
Les
25 May 2013, 05:22 PM
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Just to put it into perspective.
I'm serving. Have been to Afghanistan twice and I'm going again this year, for 8 months. I've patrolled the green zone, on foot and been in contact. I have worked closely with the locals be it ANA, ANP or terps.
As this was announced the other day the majority of my unit were in disagreement with the decision. Some, but not many welcomed it.
If you've served on the front line in Helmand and have a different view to mine, fair enough. I'll accept that. However, I've personally worked with them and IMO some are ok (face value) and some are dodgy as you like. Either way, I wouldn't trust any of them but that's just my opinion.
I'm serving. Have been to Afghanistan twice and I'm going again this year, for 8 months. I've patrolled the green zone, on foot and been in contact. I have worked closely with the locals be it ANA, ANP or terps.
As this was announced the other day the majority of my unit were in disagreement with the decision. Some, but not many welcomed it.
If you've served on the front line in Helmand and have a different view to mine, fair enough. I'll accept that. However, I've personally worked with them and IMO some are ok (face value) and some are dodgy as you like. Either way, I wouldn't trust any of them but that's just my opinion.
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If you actually are loyal to this country, and therefore support our Armed Services, you might even feel grateful to those interpreters for helping to make the Army's job easier. or even possible to do in spite of the fact they were facing great personal risk by doing the job.
Quite unnecessary and even somewhat childish to talk them down in an effort to denigrate what they did.
Did you realise by the way that Soldiers,Sailors and Airmen actually get paid for being members of the Armed Services?
Les
Quite unnecessary and even somewhat childish to talk them down in an effort to denigrate what they did.
Did you realise by the way that Soldiers,Sailors and Airmen actually get paid for being members of the Armed Services?
Les
25 May 2013, 07:20 PM
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I agree. They have worked alongside our military personal in very difficult conditions. In doing so they have made themselves an enemy of the Taliban which genuinely puts their lives in danger. I think we have a duty to protect these brave people, after all they have earned it.
25 May 2013, 08:02 PM
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If you actually are loyal to this country, and therefore support our Armed Services, you might even feel grateful to those interpreters for helping to make the Army's job easier. or even possible to do in spite of the fact they were facing great personal risk by doing the job.
Quite unnecessary and even somewhat childish to talk them down in an effort to denigrate what they did.
Did you realise by the way that Soldiers,Sailors and Airmen actually get paid for being members of the Armed Services?
Les
Quite unnecessary and even somewhat childish to talk them down in an effort to denigrate what they did.
Did you realise by the way that Soldiers,Sailors and Airmen actually get paid for being members of the Armed Services?
Les
27 May 2013, 04:38 PM
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I have also worked with civilians who were necessary to the job I was doing and I will not retract my admiration of the bravery shown by those interpreters as described above.
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27 May 2013, 07:59 PM
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You might be surprised at the things I have seen during a very long time indeed in the Armed Services.
I have also worked with civilians who were necessary to the job I was doing and I will not retract my admiration of the bravery shown by those interpreters as described above.
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I have also worked with civilians who were necessary to the job I was doing and I will not retract my admiration of the bravery shown by those interpreters as described above.
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I would be ashamed of my country if it left those interpreters to be murdered by the enemy.
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