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Old 20 December 2012, 09:37 AM
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I have no idea how this will work: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/cameron-vow...1.html#oxtPsiR

Sounds like someone who doesn't really understand how operating systems and/or ISPs really work ...
Old 20 December 2012, 10:19 AM
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It's not his problem. He is just catering for middle England. He has appointed Clare Perry to implement it. I can't see any other way to do it other than through the OS, or a third party software solution that is shipped ISP's. It certainly can't be done remotely.
Old 20 December 2012, 10:28 AM
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Well it works in countries like China and Indonesia so what do you think is the issue?

That said I wish they'd put as much effort into curbing the freeloaders downloading and publishing copyrighted material right, left and centre

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Old 20 December 2012, 10:47 AM
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Mr Cameron said that under the proposals parents will be automatically prompted to tailor their internet filters when switching on new computers if they declare there are children in the house.
Is that a cue for a government tender for somebody to write some software that will never work properly, or never be delivered at all, but cost tax payers tens of millions of pounds? Sounds like it to me
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
Is that a cue for a government tender for somebody to write some software that will never work properly, or never be delivered at all, but cost tax payers tens of millions of pounds? Sounds like it to me
Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me too
They've spent millions over here trying to centralise all government department accounting systems
And they still haven't got it working several years on

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Old 20 December 2012, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Well it works in countries like China and Indonesia so what do you think is the issue?
It doesn't really. All ISPs must route their traffic through a central filter slowing down traffic and it 'blocks' certain sites.

Asking for preferences, saving them and/or forcing them at the local level is much more difficult and I would say nigh on impossible.

(impossible meaning within a worthwhile budget and timescale)
Old 20 December 2012, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by boxst
It doesn't really. All ISPs must route their traffic through a central filter slowing down traffic and it 'blocks' certain sites.
Well it does actually work very well if full on censiorship is the way you want to go, but I grant you this is different

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Asking for preferences, saving them and/or forcing them at the local level is much more difficult and I would say nigh on impossible.

(impossible meaning within a worthwhile budget and timescale)
Well technically it's not that difficult, but requires co-operation of the ISPs and, as you say, a large budget.

The thing is though I feel this is yet another move in the wrong direction for society. If Little Joihnny is on the net unsupervised and looking at **** then that is bad parenting. Why should the state have to do the parenting here? Cameron said in his manifesto he would be moving away from the nanny state created by Labour, this proves he is just as bad!
Old 20 December 2012, 12:52 PM
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Surely all you do is not actually click on Porno Links?
Old 20 December 2012, 02:22 PM
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all that can be removed from the page pete, including the sites that host the links.

Its control blah blah blah.

You use google but google doesnt index everything. US Govt and governments of other countries ask google to block certain sites from search results.

Everything is control.
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I do not think it would be a retrograde step to remove any **** from the Net in general. Quite the opposite in fact.

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Can anyone recommend any good blocking software? My lad will soon be of an age where he becomes curious about ladies.

When I were a lad, we had to work hard for our scud, I don't see why he should just be able to tap a few keys to get it!

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Old 20 December 2012, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve vRS
Can anyone recommend any good blocking software? My lad will soon be of an age where he becomes curious about ladies.

When I were a lad, we had to work hard for our scud, I don't see why he should just be able to tap a few keys to get it!

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come on man, get with the 2010's, its the best sex ed most folks got in recent times,,,,, lol
Old 20 December 2012, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve vRS
Can anyone recommend any good blocking software? My lad will soon be of an age where he becomes curious about ladies.

When I were a lad, we had to work hard for our scud, I don't see why he should just be able to tap a few keys to get it!

Steve

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Net Nanny always scores highly.

See review here;

http://www.laptopmag.com/best-internet-filter-software/
Old 20 December 2012, 03:43 PM
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Just another form of mass population control.
The internet is dangerous to Government who only want you to see their version of events.

This is just the first step.................you have been warned.
Old 20 December 2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve vRS
Can anyone recommend any good blocking software? My lad will soon be of an age where he becomes curious about ladies.

When I were a lad, we had to work hard for our scud, I don't see why he should just be able to tap a few keys to get it!

Steve

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http://www.opendns.com/home-solutions/

free -- and works for everyone getting access from your network and does not require any configuration of the client (Iphone, Ipad pc laptop etc etc)

the only downside it it is best used with a fixed IP address -- but most IP address don't change much

and I use it -- with 5 kids, (two teenagers) and it really work

can be over ridden if your wife insists on watch ****

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Old 20 December 2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve vRS
Can anyone recommend any good blocking software? My lad will soon be of an age where he becomes curious about ladies.

When I were a lad, we had to work hard for our scud, I don't see why he should just be able to tap a few keys to get it!

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I use http://www1.k9webprotection.com/ from the nice chaps at BlueCoat (industry grade web filtering).
Old 20 December 2012, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by boxst
I use http://www1.k9webprotection.com/ from the nice chaps at BlueCoat (industry grade web filtering).
Looks like this one has solved Dave's dilemma. See last testimonial:

"K9 is the only one that actually works without over-blocking, slowing the PC down or conflicting with other software. Thank you." -- Cameron"

Old 20 December 2012, 09:04 PM
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Guys, I have trouble finding decent **** without any blocks.. Looks like im screwed.
Old 20 December 2012, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by wrx_driver
Looks like this one has solved Dave's dilemma. See last testimonial:

"K9 is the only one that actually works without over-blocking, slowing the PC down or conflicting with other software. Thank you." -- Cameron"

Old 22 December 2012, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
Just another form of mass population control.
The internet is dangerous to Government who only want you to see their version of events.

This is just the first step.................you have been warned.
It might be useful to those who have nothing better to do than to ********** at their desktops, but is that really worth the ability of children to be able to access such questionable content?

Les
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
Just another form of mass population control.
The internet is dangerous to Government who only want you to see their version of events.

This is just the first step.................you have been warned.
Originally Posted by Leslie
It might be useful to those who have nothing better to do than to ********** at their desktops, but is that really worth the ability of children to be able to access such questionable content?

Les
I see your point Les, but would prefer education & far better parental guidance & very obvious choices when logging on.

I just have an inbuilt aversion to information control by Governments.
Old 22 December 2012, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Well it works in countries like China and Indonesia so what do you think is the issue?

That said I wish they'd put as much effort into curbing the freeloaders downloading and publishing copyrighted material right, left and centre
I presume your joking about the filtering in these countries?
Old 22 December 2012, 05:34 PM
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lol havent heard the phrase "scud" for years. but i agree with limiting kids access to ****, when i was 14 it was the sexy undies section in the kays catalogue where i learned what a semi naked woman looked like and some of my big brothers jazz mags when i found his stash lol. if it was just some naked women posing on a bed it wouldnt be so bad but its the fact that the net delivers all the nasty stuff as well. but id like to be the one in control of it and not have it forced on me by government so id be able to set access myself in case i wanted to look at some for ahem "research purposes"

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Originally Posted by f1_fan

The thing is though I feel this is yet another move in the wrong direction for society. If Little Joihnny is on the net unsupervised and looking at **** then that is bad parenting. Why should the state have to do the parenting here? Cameron said in his manifesto he would be moving away from the nanny state created by Labour, this proves he is just as bad!
Exactly!

Crikey, I'm agreeing with you... it's definitely the festive season.
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Our schools internet is filtered, I'm sure the IT guy said it all came through the University Network via Hull.............

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Filtering content is pretty straight forward, its all in the details though, selective viewing will be harder to sort.
Did I read that right where it mentions pornography and self harm sites in the same sentence? wtf?
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
I see your point Les, but would prefer education & far better parental guidance & very obvious choices when logging on.

I just have an inbuilt aversion to information control by Governments.
Yes I understand your point, but despite any kind of education, the first chance a your person gets and he will be calling up all the ****.

Its a bit like us having laws to make us behave properly though. Its a pretty strong form of government control to make it illegal to murder anyone!

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Originally Posted by Leslie
Its a bit like us having laws to make us behave properly though. Its a pretty strong form of government control to make it illegal to murder anyone!

Les
That isn't a correct comparison. You could draw example from perhaps drug legislation -- where it is illegal to take drugs in your own home. Both this and pornography theoretically cause no harm to others*. Where-as murder of course effects another person.

(*Yes ... I know you could point to indirect harm, but I'm leaving it out!)
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I dont think **** is the biggest problem on the net, I have K9 web patrol on my kids computers but I suspect is has been broken already, I have no iisue with my teenage lads looking at **** and fannies, it is all the weird stuff on the net, violent stufff, people crapping on each other, children and all the other deviency.

Aside from the **** I worry more about the videos they see of people being executed, eviserated, stabbed, shot, beaten up or commiting suicide but there is no mention of that, the net needs to stay uncensored and we need to limit what they see.

Some of the stuff, however horrible, like road accidents might actually be useful, I have seen some stuff ont he net that has made me think so, not always sure that blocking everything unsavoury is actually beneficial, it is way more complicated than that.
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Leave it completely uncensored, I say. What harm will it do? Someone answer that.


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