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Old 20 November 2012, 10:15 AM
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I never understand why we think we can bring "democracy" to these sh1thole places.......

lets try with Libya....fail.....so lets try with Syria......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20404175

The Western government egos are pretty big....
Old 20 November 2012, 11:21 AM
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LOL, "pretty" big?

America's is second to none. I wouldn't care, but a country that shouts the loudest really has nowt to shout about: it's politics is all about money and there are ghettoes in every large city.

Let's see how loud the USA is shouting when all these democratically elected governments go hardline Muslim......
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Islamists reject pluralism (obviously), users criticise pluralists.
Old 20 November 2012, 02:40 PM
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Haven't seen a great deal of real democracy in this country for quite some time now!

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Old 20 November 2012, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Haven't seen a great deal of real democracy in this country for quite some time now!

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Well you have a General Election, local council elections, mayoral elections and even ridiculous Police Commissioner elections. As well as votes in the Houses of Parliament by your elected MP..

What more do you want?

Name one country in the world which has a better system.


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Old 20 November 2012, 03:40 PM
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What I would really like David is a leader who might just give the appearance at least of showing any kind of interest in what the people think!

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Old 20 November 2012, 04:50 PM
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Anyone who thinks we live in a 'democracy' is being very naive... we live in nothing but an elected dictatorship, the government (of any political persuasion) only exists to serve the interests of the banks and the corporations.
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Originally Posted by mike74
Anyone who thinks we live in a 'democracy' is being very naive... we live in nothing but an elected dictatorship, the government (of any political persuasion) only exists to serve the interests of the banks and the corporations.
Nonsense

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Originally Posted by David Lock
Nonsense

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Brilliantly constructed argument there, that certainly showed me!

Well you just keep on living in your blissfull ignorance, having faith in the left-right paradigm, allowing the government to take away more and more of your civil liberties in order to protect you from the big, bad scarey terrorists, gratefully accepting the scraps and crumbs that are occasionally thrown the way of the ordinary man, whilst the banks and corporations keep on making their record breaking multi-billion pound profits and the wealth divide is greater than at any other time in history.
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Originally Posted by mike74
Brilliantly constructed argument there, that certainly showed me!

Well you just keep on living in your blissfull ignorance, having faith in the left-right paradigm, allowing the government to take away more and more of your civil liberties in order to protect you from the big, bad scarey terrorists, gratefully accepting the scraps and crumbs that are occasionally thrown the way of the ordinary man, whilst the banks and corporations keep on making their record breaking multi-billion pound profits and the wealth divide is greater than at any other time in history.
Nonsense.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Nonsense.
LOL
Old 20 November 2012, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mike74
Brilliantly constructed argument there, that certainly showed me!

Well you just keep on living in your blissfull ignorance, having faith in the left-right paradigm, allowing the government to take away more and more of your civil liberties in order to protect you from the big, bad scarey terrorists, gratefully accepting the scraps and crumbs that are occasionally thrown the way of the ordinary man, whilst the banks and corporations keep on making their record breaking multi-billion pound profits and the wealth divide is greater than at any other time in history.
I think you are forgetting the effect of the likes of the civil service and opinion formers such as the BBC, education system and so-on. Their are many major vested interests in maintaining the status quo and kidding us along.
As for the two (and a half LOL) party setup and first past the post system.......That in 2005, allowed Blair a 66 seat majority in parliament with 35.2% of the popular vote!
You can try to convince yourself that we live in a democracy if you like.
If you want, you can try to convince others - but please don't be too surprised when they laugh at you.
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