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Old 01 November 2012, 10:00 AM
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Sorry if you work in a bank, its not meant as a personal insult, but banks are bent, totally and utterly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20164795

so fixing electric bills now.

The more that comes out in the wash the more it seems to be that banks should be completely revamped and regulated so heavily they can;t even buy paperclips for the office with out the regulators saying ok.

They have proved beyond doubt they can;t be trusted so they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
Sorry if you work in a bank, its not meant as a personal insult, but banks are bent, totally and utterly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20164795

so fixing electric bills now.

The more that comes out in the wash the more it seems to be that banks should be completely revamped and regulated so heavily they can;t even buy paperclips for the office with out the regulators saying ok.

They have proved beyond doubt they can;t be trusted so they have no one to blame but themselves.
The joys of a capitalist society.
Old 01 November 2012, 01:18 PM
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I have a theory that working all day with money is a corrupting influence. After a while at it, I reckon it becomes 2nd nature to do people down.

Ther was a time when you felt that you could trust them with your life though.

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Originally Posted by Tidgy
Sorry if you work in a bank, its not meant as a personal insult, but banks are bent, totally and utterly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20164795

so fixing electric bills now.

The more that comes out in the wash the more it seems to be that banks should be completely revamped and regulated so heavily they can;t even buy paperclips for the office with out the regulators saying ok.

They have proved beyond doubt they can;t be trusted so they have no one to blame but themselves.
No, they have not been "fixing" electric bills!
Old 01 November 2012, 01:54 PM
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No, they have not been "fixing" electric bills!
alright not quite accurate , they tried to make money from buying and selling it which in turn would push bills up lol
Old 01 November 2012, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
alright not quite accurate , they tried to make money from buying and selling it which in turn would push bills up lol
So they were investing peoples money.....and making it grow?

Shame on them!
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Originally Posted by Gear Head
So they were investing peoples money.....and making it grow?

Shame on them!
by making it in an illegal manor?
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
alright not quite accurate , they tried to make money from buying and selling it which in turn would push bills up lol
Would you care to explain how the alleged manipulation in a Californian commodity market for electricity pushed up the bills for electricity. I assume you have evidence to substantiate this claim?
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
by making it in an illegal manor?
house or slang for district???
Old 01 November 2012, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Would you care to explain how the alleged manipulation in a Californian commodity market for electricity pushed up the bills for electricity. I assume you have evidence to substantiate this claim?
so what did they do, manipulate it to make it cheaper?
Old 01 November 2012, 04:35 PM
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Here we go again. A free market but it's the bankers' fault that prices went up. Because whenever bankers get involved, prices just keep going up and up, forever. Right?


Tidgy come on even you can't be this thick surely.
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not a "free" market

a "rigged" market, as in LIBOR - that is what the investigation is about
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
so what did they do, manipulate it to make it cheaper?
By that response, you don't actually know or have any idea as to whether trading in commodities in a Californian electricity market has any affect on price of electricity in the UK domestic market do you. This is just another populist opportunity to bashing bankers. Just for your information though, the alleged manipulation was made for a loss in order to make a profit on their position on their swaps.
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Originally Posted by jonc
By that response, you don't actually know or have any idea as to whether trading in commodities in a Californian electricity market has any affect on price of electricity in the UK domestic market do you. This is just another populist opportunity to bashing bankers. Just for your information though, the alleged manipulation was made for a loss in order to make a profit on their position on their swaps.
who did lose out?
Old 01 November 2012, 06:43 PM
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I don't know, whoever they traded against in that market during 2006-2008. I don't have all the info and only going by cursory searches on the internet and in the media.
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fine

so to summerize, if found guilty (as they were in the LIBOR) they rigged markets and someone lost out - but we just don't know who

they are also being investigated for fraud and corruption too

but apart from that!!!
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Well judging by the OP, they're already guilty and are responsible for increases in our electric bills.
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i thought we had established he is a bit thick
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
i thought we had established he is a bit thick
Seems to be the trend here.
Old 02 November 2012, 09:46 AM
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lol, i never said our bills would be affected, just banks up to no good again

But, think of it this way, if there doing it there, what are they doing elsewhere?

yes we don't know about the legality of it, but if questions are being raised by authorities, who know a darn sight more than the scoobynet massive, then there must be some underhand tactics going on don't you think?
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
lol, i never said our bills would be affected, just banks up to no good again

But, think of it this way, if there doing it there, what are they doing elsewhere?

yes we don't know about the legality of it, but if questions are being raised by authorities, who know a darn sight more than the scoobynet massive, then there must be some underhand tactics going on don't you think?
Do you honestly think think that "underhand tactics" are only unique to the finance industry? It happens in all industries regulated or not. I'm not saying it's right, but if you feel that aggrieved with the whole banking sector then vote with your feet. Take your money and have some other service look after your money or if you want the industry so heavily regulated, then I expect you won't complain when you no longer get free banking, free overdrafts, low interest rate loans and mortgages, free credit card transactions, poor returns on your savings, investments, pension etc.
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that sounds like the Lance Armstrong defence
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Seems to be the trend here.
Do I detect an air of aloofness?
Old 02 November 2012, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Do you honestly think think that "underhand tactics" are only unique to the finance industry? It happens in all industries regulated or not. I'm not saying it's right, but if you feel that aggrieved with the whole banking sector then vote with your feet. Take your money and have some other service look after your money or if you want the industry so heavily regulated, then I expect you won't complain when you no longer get free banking, free overdrafts, low interest rate loans and mortgages, free credit card transactions, poor returns on your savings, investments, pension etc.
o dont get me wrong, i have no doubt there all at it, petrol companies are the worst.

Just seems to be more and more dodgy behaviour coming from banks
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Do I detect an air of aloofness?
to be fair it's easier with some posters than others
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