chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

The subject got me thinking last night. You've seen loads of cases of this, that and the other where convicted criminals get off with silly punishments/sentences or 'rehabilitation' etc. which to me seems typically quite left wing and liberal. You know the do-gooder type of scenario where everything else is to blame for the offenders crime. As an example, the lad at 14 who was 'let off' with raping that 5 year old because he'd watched **** on the net according to the judge (who bated great resemblance to the late Jeremy Beadle.

Obviously more details etc, but looking at it from say a deliberate narrow minded point of view, would people agree they seem very 'leftist' in their views, whereas say a right wing opinion may be more of a disciplinarian and harsher punishment?

Thoughts and views please, discuss as I think it's an interesting subject matter

richs2891

I would guess that the generally opinion will be a lot of Judges / magistrates out of touch with the real world, hence the left wing / liberal ideas.
Unless its a motoring offence and then it will be V right wing and completely and utterly over the top punishment when put into real world context.

Richard

Tidgy

As i understand it governments have put silly sentancing rules in place that over rule what the judges want, also they are interpeting the law that can at times have no common sence in it at all

Felix.

They do have strict guidelines which they have to use for sentencing rules. So its not as though they can just dish out what they want

GlesgaKiss

In reality it probably isn't as bad as we all assume when we read the papers. The media have a special way of presenting facts. Even if there is no misreporting going on, the way things are presented make them read completely differently from how they actually are. Also, they tend to present one aspect of a case and fail to mention other, possibly more important, ones which would completely change your position on it.

But yes, there will always be things that make you think 'wtf'.

Luan Pra bang

I had a pal who was convinced that loads of judges were paedophiles based on how lightly some of them were sentenced.,

Leslie

I could not help being suspicious that they were frightened of possible trouble if they issued stronger sentences!

Les

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Two things here Andy: sentencing guidelines and Lying Labour, the left wing socialist scourge.

My bro in law is a magistrate, as is another good friend.

I once asked my bro in law why he didn't lock up kids who were brought up before him on TWOC-ing charges, then ask for another forty or so charges to be taken into consideraton. His answer? "We are not allowed to lock up anyone under the age of 18 unless the social wokers will state, in writing that it is the best thing for the child in question." Have you ever come across anything so stupid? Ok read on:

Then we have the social workers who openly tell their little charges that TWOC-ing is a victimless crime, since everyone has insurance. I kid you not Try teling another mate whose car was stolen from the carpark at Jimmys, while he was visiting his wife who was dying of cnacer. He couldn't get home. he was late ghetting back the next day and she died before he could get back.

And lastly we have Lying Labour: THEY put in place a rule for sentencing that magistrates HAVE to enforce: any white on black crime, they MUST ASSUME it racially motivated and add one third to any sentence. No matter if CPS/police give any evidence, just ASSUME.

So a white man spitting on a another young, but BLACK man would receive one third more punishment than, say a young black man who spat on an old, frail white man. The first would be ASSUMED to be racially motivated, the second, nothing could be read into the age, or frailty of the white man.

My mate resigned over that, saying it was racist and he undertook to UPHOLD the rights of all people, not just minorities.

ditchmyster

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No, they are just middle class conservative ar$holes. for the most part.

As for guidelines, they are exactly that, they chose to follow like sheep for fear of damage to future career prospects.

It's the old boy network, nothing more, nothing less.

boomer

That is sad, scarey and gets me quite angry

When the basic framework under which society operates gets so bent and corrupt - what hope is left?

mb

Dirk Diggler 75

The justice system is way too soft and out of touch it's a disgrace to this once fine nation ........

boomer

It is a shame that such "guidelines" (er, isn't that exactly what they are, guidelines, not law?) can't be changed in the same way that selling chips within earshot of the Limpic stadium has suddenly been made a criminal offense (by LOCOG?).

The words "fools", "rules" and "obedience" (plus a few others) spring to mind!

mb

SJ_Skyline

A fair trial followed by a fair hanging.

Felix.

Indeed – they are quite strict guidelines by all accounts with not a great deal of opportunity to increase a punishment by the discretion of the magistrate. It also takes into account previous convictions, offences, punishments, stints inside, current fines, probation etc etc

I agree with you Alcazar, they don’t put people inside who are under 18 – which is the age range which causes people most problems (thefts, burglaries, ASB etc). If you think the punishments are bad, you first have to get things past CPS which is a lottery in itself.

My dad has often said we should shoot them all – I’m starting to agree....