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18 June 2012, 06:51 PM
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18 June 2012, 07:43 PM
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So ... where else?
I post here, PistonHeads (just in the computer section), MoneySavingExpert (mostly in the Techie section) and occasionally on ThinkBroadBand as I've been going there for years.
I post here, PistonHeads (just in the computer section), MoneySavingExpert (mostly in the Techie section) and occasionally on ThinkBroadBand as I've been going there for years.
18 June 2012, 08:49 PM
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18 June 2012, 09:09 PM
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Been saying it for a couple of years now, but the forum is dying. No doubt Ali and his shadow will be along in a minute to tell us the stats are the highest ever, it's the weather, it's Facebook, it's the Muslims or whatever other stock excuse is published for regurgitation to the viewing public (all three of us 
) in the mods section this week 
) in the mods section this week
18 June 2012, 09:29 PM
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19 June 2012, 12:29 AM
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Been saying it for a couple of years now, but the forum is dying. No doubt Ali and his shadow will be along in a minute to tell us the stats are the highest ever, it's the weather, it's Facebook, it's the Muslims or whatever other stock excuse is published for regurgitation to the viewing public (all three of us ) in the mods section this week
) in the mods section this week My take is a lot of people do just move on for various reasons. Whether that be they move away from the marque, get bored of forums, get bored/fed up with some of the people on them, or because their mates have moved on and it's no fun any more. Well before IB took over, people were banned and people started to move on then, I can't help but think that has had some influence, and it has got worse as time has moved on. More and more older members follow suit and the place becomes quieter.
Newer members do come along, but something that crops up in that respect, is that they are made to feel unwelcome. The marque has changed and with it, the people coming on to the forum, but that doesn't mean they should be made to feel like outcasts. Maybe if time was spent getting to know people, educating some along the way (not in a belittling way-not aimed at you), then new friendships could be made, but oh no, people would rather moan that things have changed and become sh*t, instead of making any real effort.
People make forums, and if those people move away, or don't make the effort to post and contribute to keep the forum going, then yes, it will eventually die. IB don't control this, nor the mods (and I'm not saying either are faultless by the way), people control the destiny of forums. SN is maybe (most probably) never, ever going to be as busy as it was back in 'the good old days', before my time, but there is little point in looking back. Things change, people change and move on, for those who still like this place, make the effort to get it going a bit more perhaps?
19 June 2012, 08:49 AM
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There are still some entertaining folks here. I often find something to have a good laugh at. It's probably just quiet as a lot of people will be on holiday etc. 
19 June 2012, 08:56 AM
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The reason 16 posts were made as the topics are hardly thought provoking, we get users on here who offer nothing but using this site as a personal shopper because they cant make a simple life decision which .....to buy.
19 June 2012, 11:09 AM
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You missed the point of my post which is not what is to blame as we all know that, but the fact that when these threads get posted we usually get a staunch denial from the mods that there is an issue and are told that the forum is as busy as ever and any variation we are seeing now is due to the weather LOL! At least you have not fallen into that trap so kudos to you for that
Fair comment in some cases but in others they arrive, ask loads of questions about their dump valves, HID bulbs etc. and when they get given proper advice from a long stading member that isn't what they wnat to hear argue with them and call them an idiot.
That I guess is the problem with our marque's earliest examples falling into the sub £1k category.
Aside from all that though issues with the way the for sale section is run (as a virtual scammer's paradise in some cases) and the generally inconsistent moderation haven't helped the site in the last few years. All IMO of course and that is not meant as a dig at you Lisa, you know I have always found your moderation to be my kind of moderation... that of some of your cohorts however ... well you know the rest!
That I guess is the problem with our marque's earliest examples falling into the sub £1k category.
Aside from all that though issues with the way the for sale section is run (as a virtual scammer's paradise in some cases) and the generally inconsistent moderation haven't helped the site in the last few years. All IMO of course and that is not meant as a dig at you Lisa, you know I have always found your moderation to be my kind of moderation... that of some of your cohorts however ... well you know the rest!
19 June 2012, 11:46 AM
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I read a lot of threads and I can say I've only ever seen one or two where the newbie has had a hissy fit, but that's generally because they are spoken down to as if they couldn't possibly have any idea what they're talking about and made to look stupid.
The sole reason I stay on this site is because of the amount of knowledge there is. And it's the only reason I paid for my membership, as I felt I needed to give something back...
I've gone from brand new company cars/lease cars to buying a Classic Impreza. The most I could probably do when I got it four months ago is change the wheel! Thanks to this site every issue I've had I've managed to sort myself, which is a massive achievement for me lol, as I'd normally just pay a garage to do it!
When I first joined and had a browse, all I'd stumble across is bitching, arguments etc, so my first impressions of the site were pretty poor.
I also find it quite cliquey in places, I've tried to get involved in a few threads and just get totally blanked.
There are quite a few welcoming members and there are a lot of nice people, but the general feeling I get is that it's old school members only and newbies can do one!
edit - Oh and one last thing, I honestly don't think there is enough moderation on the forum as quite a few threads get way out of hand, this is the first time I've ever seen a moderator post since I joined!
The sole reason I stay on this site is because of the amount of knowledge there is. And it's the only reason I paid for my membership, as I felt I needed to give something back...
I've gone from brand new company cars/lease cars to buying a Classic Impreza. The most I could probably do when I got it four months ago is change the wheel! Thanks to this site every issue I've had I've managed to sort myself, which is a massive achievement for me lol, as I'd normally just pay a garage to do it!
When I first joined and had a browse, all I'd stumble across is bitching, arguments etc, so my first impressions of the site were pretty poor.
I also find it quite cliquey in places, I've tried to get involved in a few threads and just get totally blanked.
There are quite a few welcoming members and there are a lot of nice people, but the general feeling I get is that it's old school members only and newbies can do one!
edit - Oh and one last thing, I honestly don't think there is enough moderation on the forum as quite a few threads get way out of hand, this is the first time I've ever seen a moderator post since I joined!
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19 June 2012, 12:26 PM
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The sole reason I stay on this site is because of the amount of knowledge there is. And it's the only reason I paid for my membership, as I felt I needed to give something back...
I've gone from brand new company cars/lease cars to buying a Classic Impreza. The most I could probably do when I got it four months ago is change the wheel! Thanks to this site every issue I've had I've managed to sort myself, which is a massive achievement for me lol, as I'd normally just pay a garage to do it!
I've gone from brand new company cars/lease cars to buying a Classic Impreza. The most I could probably do when I got it four months ago is change the wheel! Thanks to this site every issue I've had I've managed to sort myself, which is a massive achievement for me lol, as I'd normally just pay a garage to do it!
19 June 2012, 01:27 PM
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No offence, but what exactly do you want to blame?
My take is a lot of people do just move on for various reasons. Whether that be they move away from the marque, get bored of forums, get bored/fed up with some of the people on them, or because their mates have moved on and it's no fun any more. Well before IB took over, people were banned and people started to move on then, I can't help but think that has had some influence, and it has got worse as time has moved on. More and more older members follow suit and the place becomes quieter.
Newer members do come along, but something that crops up in that respect, is that they are made to feel unwelcome. The marque has changed and with it, the people coming on to the forum, but that doesn't mean they should be made to feel like outcasts. Maybe if time was spent getting to know people, educating some along the way (not in a belittling way-not aimed at you), then new friendships could be made, but oh no, people would rather moan that things have changed and become sh*t, instead of making any real effort.
People make forums, and if those people move away, or don't make the effort to post and contribute to keep the forum going, then yes, it will eventually die. IB don't control this, nor the mods (and I'm not saying either are faultless by the way), people control the destiny of forums. SN is maybe (most probably) never, ever going to be as busy as it was back in 'the good old days', before my time, but there is little point in looking back. Things change, people change and move on, for those who still like this place, make the effort to get it going a bit more perhaps?
My take is a lot of people do just move on for various reasons. Whether that be they move away from the marque, get bored of forums, get bored/fed up with some of the people on them, or because their mates have moved on and it's no fun any more. Well before IB took over, people were banned and people started to move on then, I can't help but think that has had some influence, and it has got worse as time has moved on. More and more older members follow suit and the place becomes quieter.
Newer members do come along, but something that crops up in that respect, is that they are made to feel unwelcome. The marque has changed and with it, the people coming on to the forum, but that doesn't mean they should be made to feel like outcasts. Maybe if time was spent getting to know people, educating some along the way (not in a belittling way-not aimed at you), then new friendships could be made, but oh no, people would rather moan that things have changed and become sh*t, instead of making any real effort.
People make forums, and if those people move away, or don't make the effort to post and contribute to keep the forum going, then yes, it will eventually die. IB don't control this, nor the mods (and I'm not saying either are faultless by the way), people control the destiny of forums. SN is maybe (most probably) never, ever going to be as busy as it was back in 'the good old days', before my time, but there is little point in looking back. Things change, people change and move on, for those who still like this place, make the effort to get it going a bit more perhaps?
I love you Lisa
I think its too often forgotten or misunderstood that your input and influence on the runnings of SN is held in very equal (if not higher) regard and respect amongst all of us 
PS. Just to put some points to bed about what I've supposedly said in the past about SN's browsing numbers; I've never said the forum was as busy as ever unless server stats specifically said that (and it does have its peaks as well as its troughs), what incentive would I have to lie about or exaggerate those figures? Conversely what I have said has only ever been based upon the number of users shown as on line via the modCP as that's the only stats I have ever had at hand (this includes users with invisible mode enabled). Any reasoning behind those stats is both based on historical trends and my personal interpretation of them. Those reasons have never been factual just my opinion (am I'm still allowed to have one?
) based on the factual numerical statistics of both past and present. Of which, I've typically noticed that SN does suffer a summertime lull when compared to the Christmas periods, and weather does indeed make a difference (especially at weekends). Even what's on the TV appears to make a difference (such as England matches), because I've noticed and commented on it, it doesn't make it fact, so it shouldn't be purported that I claim that.Furthermore, my prior opinions that I have often repeated in the past few years in threads topics like this and usually within the same post(s) of my justification of user numbers, is that forums are overall a dying breed for community/banter, this opinion of mine appears to have been been intentionally ignored (why is that?). Many forums are not what they once were (even PH) and I'm still of that opinion.
OK, hopefully with that clarified, what facts do I have? Currently: 151 members and 453 guests. So, my opinion on that? Yeah, not too brilliant, I'd have expected that with the sh**ty weather of late it'd be higher.....but the lurker count is pretty high (that'll sometimes include me as I don't have auto-login enabled).
I've not really been around much over the past few months either so can't really comment on recent trends . I've been too busy doing stuff (my main home PC hasn't been switched on for the past two weeks!
) and FWIW I intend to keep my web usage activity down so I can get on with more productive things in life (don't all rejoice at once...its been like this since New Years, if it hasn't been noticed – note my daily post count falling ). Maybe other people could be following suit just as a general course of life?Of course other reasoning for falling numbers (other than my sporadic yet frequent absence
) could be just as valid; It could be the more abhorrent users driving away others, too many noobs, too much hearsay and not enough proper knowledge, trolls, the lack of trolls, the admin, the slow/buggy servers/DDOS attacks. Or it could be people have found somewhere better, busy at work, busy outside of work, on holiday. Whatever; Its all just guessing and in all likeliness its a combination of things. If a cynical approach is taken we can easily blame people, however I'd rather not blame anyone as those who do leave may not have a majority reason for doing so.
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19 June 2012, 01:41 PM
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People make forums, and if those people move away, or don't make the effort to post and contribute to keep the forum going, then yes, it will eventually die. IB don't control this, nor the mods (and I'm not saying either are faultless by the way), people control the destiny of forums. SN is maybe (most probably) never, ever going to be as busy as it was back in 'the good old days', before my time, but there is little point in looking back. Things change, people change and move on, for those who still like this place, make the effort to get it going a bit more perhaps?