Latest plan for untaxed/ uninsured cars
20 March 2012, 07:51 PM
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Latest plan for untaxed/ uninsured cars
So the proposal is to stop them fueliing by checking with DVLA & MIDB
sounds good in principle.....
But... who will be responsible for moving said dumped vehicle off the forecourts?... when theyve locked it and run lol
And you just know there will be a rise in numberplate cloning or fuel thefts
Wont stop them though will it
Mart
sounds good in principle.....
But... who will be responsible for moving said dumped vehicle off the forecourts?... when theyve locked it and run lol
And you just know there will be a rise in numberplate cloning or fuel thefts
Wont stop them though will it
Mart
20 March 2012, 08:01 PM
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All they do is when a mate goes to take his car up, they also fill up a couple portable petrol cans. System beaten.
Number plate thefts. System beaten.
Fuel thefts from car parked overnight. System beaten.
Although I do think it is a good idea they are doing something. Will hit many, but the scum will always find other ways.
Number plate thefts. System beaten.
Fuel thefts from car parked overnight. System beaten.
Although I do think it is a good idea they are doing something. Will hit many, but the scum will always find other ways.
20 March 2012, 08:08 PM
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Better than nowt surely? We already pay for the uninsured etc via increased cost of insurance of course ... no doubt premiums will reduce once implimented 
As a side note, I don't like the principal of ANPR, slippery slope to 24/7 monitoring of the "people" imho
TX.
As a side note, I don't like the principal of ANPR, slippery slope to 24/7 monitoring of the "people" imho
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20 March 2012, 08:35 PM
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The gov brings it in as a 'solution' to a problem in part of its own making. i.e the high cost of road tax and insurance etc.
Some people will always want to flout insurance and road tax laws, but the unjustly high costs means more will try because it breaks down the idea of general consent of our laws etc.
It really is a bad indictment of our 'society' if we need constant surveillance and threat of penal action to (apparently) stop anarchy.
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20 March 2012, 10:31 PM
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And given the woeful inaccuracies of both these database does anyone think this will really work ?
Do have to agree with TDL above its a solution to a problem that of its own making and as its so easily defeated by cloning plates, stealing plates, filling up a few extra cans at fill up time, going to a small independent fuel station that can’t afford the kit which will un doubtable cost an absolute fortune. Or simply stealing it from another car. Does anyone else see a major flaw in this idea ?
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Do have to agree with TDL above its a solution to a problem that of its own making and as its so easily defeated by cloning plates, stealing plates, filling up a few extra cans at fill up time, going to a small independent fuel station that can’t afford the kit which will un doubtable cost an absolute fortune. Or simply stealing it from another car. Does anyone else see a major flaw in this idea ?
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20 March 2012, 11:15 PM
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So the proposal is to stop them fueliing by checking with DVLA & MIDB
sounds good in principle.....
But... who will be responsible for moving said dumped vehicle off the forecourts?... when theyve locked it and run lol
And you just know there will be a rise in numberplate cloning or fuel thefts
Wont stop them though will it
Mart
sounds good in principle.....
But... who will be responsible for moving said dumped vehicle off the forecourts?... when theyve locked it and run lol
And you just know there will be a rise in numberplate cloning or fuel thefts
Wont stop them though will it
Mart
21 March 2012, 09:36 AM
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And what will happen if your car gets flagged as "uninsured" on the forecourt? Maybe Tesco et al will have some private security "heavies" come out and "hold you until the police arrive". In my case above I wouldn't be very happy, to say the least. Or maybe the forecourt will still have just a couple of old ladies running it who will not be able to say "no" to a couple of thugs who come inside and threaten them. Maybe not in town, but what about a small petrol station in the country? One chap running it all day. It's just inviting the thugs to steal from him.
OK. Rant over ..... it's just a bleddy stupid idea
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21 March 2012, 11:32 AM
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Er... what about traders who don't have to put vehicles on the database unless keeping them for more than 2 weeks? These vehicles will show as uninsured even though they are insured. Try explaining that to Sheila at the BP Garage, its bad enough trying to explain a traders policy at the post office
21 March 2012, 12:32 PM
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Agreed, sack all the traffic wardens and re-employ them as "untaxed/uninsured car wardens". Equip them with devices that will stop the car from running (expanding foam - more portable than a clamp
) pending its removal.Give them an extra book token for every car they nab.
Also stop faffing about crushing impounded cars....just auction them to the scrappers and make a bit more cash back.
21 March 2012, 12:36 PM
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Never had an issue taxing cars on our trader's policy at the post office. They barely bat an eyelid most of the time.
Officially any vehicle in our custody for that length of time should be declared to the insurer anyway so its on the MID - It just takes a phone call.
Officially any vehicle in our custody for that length of time should be declared to the insurer anyway so its on the MID - It just takes a phone call.
21 March 2012, 12:54 PM
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or with all the money theyre(their, there) going to spend setting this up, deduct it from fuel duty and help more people able to have a fully legal vehicle.
as said its lips service and non-appliable solution to a problem they have created
as said its lips service and non-appliable solution to a problem they have created
21 March 2012, 03:08 PM
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Fact is the sky high cost of insurance and road tax is incentivsing people to break the law.
People who would normally consent to these laws are becoming criminals.
Of course a small number of people will never pay road tax or insurance but that goes for any laws.
I am sure the ANPR system is not cheap. Ironic that it is paid for by the high taxes which incentivise people to break the law, and this law breaking is used justify the ANPR.
Great for the police and ANPR makers.
How much are Insurers contributing to the cost of ANPR systems to buy and run?
Nothing I bet.
21 March 2012, 03:36 PM
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21 March 2012, 03:39 PM
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Right so for arguments sake my impreza is untaxed uninsured etc. Nick another impreza classics number plate then i can fill up n drive with no probloms coz joe bloggs is compliant with the law.
Or
Drop the petrol price and insurance and tax to what we paid in the 90's i.e 65.9p then no one has any reason to steal number plates drive untaxed steal fuel.
Problom solved
Fyi im only using my impreza as an example so its fully insured etc
Or
Drop the petrol price and insurance and tax to what we paid in the 90's i.e 65.9p then no one has any reason to steal number plates drive untaxed steal fuel.
Problom solved
Fyi im only using my impreza as an example so its fully insured etc
21 March 2012, 04:52 PM
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21 March 2012, 08:26 PM
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Or maybe people could realise that driving is a privilege, not a right.
If you can't afford it... don't do it.
Proper punishment is needed for those driving un-insured. 6 points and a £100 fine isn't enough (IMO)
If you can't afford it... don't do it.
Proper punishment is needed for those driving un-insured. 6 points and a £100 fine isn't enough (IMO)
21 March 2012, 08:44 PM
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I agree with the last bit though. I would never dream of driving without tax and insurance.
