So so very sorry !!
31 December 2011, 07:17 AM
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31 December 2011, 07:59 AM
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No need to apologise, the guy has raised the profile of British design and talent, showcasing what we can do. He just happens to do it for an american company 
And when it comes to the honours list, his is actually quite well deserved compared to some dubious other names
And when it comes to the honours list, his is actually quite well deserved compared to some dubious other names
31 December 2011, 09:54 AM
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Mods should change the Thread title. You shouldn't be sorry for recognising Great British talent just because there are some ***** on this board.
31 December 2011, 10:05 AM
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Usually in the UK you get knighted for being a banker or sucking up in the Civil Service for the appropriate number of years.
Not often you get a genuine recognition of genuine talent.
Mind you, where was Cavendish's award?
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31 December 2011, 11:00 AM
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No im pretty serious with that comment Trout.
There is nothing really innovative that apple have done, they have improved (vastly in some cases) in area's, but we had pretty much seen everything before hand (microsoft cloud, tablets, smartphones, apps, on line music etc), so not really innovative in my book.
If you want innovations then look at Sir Frank Whittle, Tommy Flowers (he should have been knighted, now he was innovative!) and Lord Norman Foster (he was already knighted before he got one over on the french but should have been awarded something just for that
) even Sir Clive Sinclair, ok it was the C5 but he was the first to offer an electric car for the market (mobile TV, i still have one!) and affordable family computing 
You are right about too many civil servants getting knighthoods for time served.
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There is nothing really innovative that apple have done, they have improved (vastly in some cases) in area's, but we had pretty much seen everything before hand (microsoft cloud, tablets, smartphones, apps, on line music etc), so not really innovative in my book.
If you want innovations then look at Sir Frank Whittle, Tommy Flowers (he should have been knighted, now he was innovative!) and Lord Norman Foster (he was already knighted before he got one over on the french but should have been awarded something just for that
) even Sir Clive Sinclair, ok it was the C5 but he was the first to offer an electric car for the market (mobile TV, i still have one!) and affordable family computing You are right about too many civil servants getting knighthoods for time served.
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31 December 2011, 11:01 AM
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At least someone who has designed something that is now an iconic design has been recognised, no matter what the product it is the impact it has had that should be considered.
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Now that man is a genius! Sorry but I don't think knighthoods and other awards should get thrown around the way they do.
Certainly too many given out to sports people whio achieve once or twice in their career.
And not sure giving an award to people in industry who are already paid stupid sums of money, and have done no more than the job they were employed to do, is a good idea!
I would much rather see fewer awards and those going to truly outstanding people!
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No im pretty serious with that comment Trout.
There is nothing really innovative that apple have done, they have improved (vastly in some cases) in area's, but we had pretty much seen everything before hand (microsoft cloud, tablets, smartphones, apps, on line music etc), so not really innovative in my book.
If you want innovations then look at Sir Frank Whittle, Tommy Flowers (he should have been knighted, now he was innovative!) and Lord Norman Foster (he was already knighted before he got one over on the french but should have been awarded something just for that ) even Sir Clive Sinclair, ok it was the C5 but he was the first to offer an electric car for the market (mobile TV, i still have one!) and affordable family computing
You are right about too many civil servants getting knighthoods for time served.
Tony
There is nothing really innovative that apple have done, they have improved (vastly in some cases) in area's, but we had pretty much seen everything before hand (microsoft cloud, tablets, smartphones, apps, on line music etc), so not really innovative in my book.
If you want innovations then look at Sir Frank Whittle, Tommy Flowers (he should have been knighted, now he was innovative!) and Lord Norman Foster (he was already knighted before he got one over on the french but should have been awarded something just for that
) even Sir Clive Sinclair, ok it was the C5 but he was the first to offer an electric car for the market (mobile TV, i still have one!) and affordable family computing You are right about too many civil servants getting knighthoods for time served.
Tony
Completely different types of innovation - maybe Foster is a good example - a knighthood just for drawing stuff
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They are all engineers Trout, just in different fields
The point being Whittle designed a first, the jet engine, Sinclair did the first affordable computer (zx80), Foster filled a rather large gap with a really big bridge (a first because no one else could do it) Flowers for building the first "real working" computer, yet Ives has not really done anything like that, though he has improved on designs, he has not done anything new in that field (and they are not all affordable)
This is my point.
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The point being Whittle designed a first, the jet engine, Sinclair did the first affordable computer (zx80), Foster filled a rather large gap with a really big bridge (a first because no one else could do it) Flowers for building the first "real working" computer, yet Ives has not really done anything like that, though he has improved on designs, he has not done anything new in that field (and they are not all affordable
)This is my point.
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31 December 2011, 11:51 AM
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Knighthood don't mean much these days. Its more about who you know rather that what you do (i.e being chummy with the queen)
For example; we have the likes of Sir Fred Goodwin....which cost the tax payer £37Billion (about £600 per tax payer)
I'm sorry how does someone knighted for services to banking with no banking qualifications or training and posting a loss of £24 billion (the biggest loss in UK business history) get to retain their knighthood?
For example; we have the likes of Sir Fred Goodwin....which cost the tax payer £37Billion (about £600 per tax payer)
I'm sorry how does someone knighted for services to banking with no banking qualifications or training and posting a loss of £24 billion (the biggest loss in UK business history) get to retain their knighthood?
31 December 2011, 11:57 AM
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Have you seen the rack of Patents awarded to Sir Ive? http://www.ipexl.com/share/5881c98bf...badc79b175304a worth noticing how many of them are in daily use rather than sat waiting for a lawsuit.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5QJS3paAo
And this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjmGb...eature=related
And lets not forget this monstrosity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNP5yqg7hc
:r azz::raz z:
31 December 2011, 12:11 PM
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The same way that this irritating git got a knighthood with ****e like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5QJS3paAo
And this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjmGb...eature=related
And lets not forget this monstrosity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNP5yqg7hc
:r azz::raz z:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5QJS3paAo
And this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjmGb...eature=related
And lets not forget this monstrosity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNP5yqg7hc
:r azz::raz z:
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They are all engineers Trout, just in different fields
The point being Whittle designed a first, the jet engine, Sinclair did the first affordable computer (zx80), Foster filled a rather large gap with a really big bridge (a first because no one else could do it) Flowers for building the first "real working" computer, yet Ives has not really done anything like that, though he has improved on designs, he has not done anything new in that field (and they are not all affordable)
This is my point.
Tony
The point being Whittle designed a first, the jet engine, Sinclair did the first affordable computer (zx80), Foster filled a rather large gap with a really big bridge (a first because no one else could do it) Flowers for building the first "real working" computer, yet Ives has not really done anything like that, though he has improved on designs, he has not done anything new in that field (and they are not all affordable
)This is my point.
Tony
Ive was radical in the creation of Apply form factors (which are an integral part of their fantastic commercial success). This was a design brief - not an engineering brief.
31 December 2011, 12:25 PM
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I have no issue with this at all - good on him. Whether you like Apple's design or not, he has raised both Apple's profile and with it, British design.
Fair play
Fair play
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One or two of Ive's achievements...
Ive was named by the MIT Technology Review TR100 one of the top 100 innovators in the world under age 35
Ive was the winner of the Design Museum's Designer of the Year Award in 2003, which was the first given.
Fortune named Ive the "world's smartest designer" in 2010 for his work on Apple products.
Ive holds about 400 design patents.
Ive was named by the MIT Technology Review TR100 one of the top 100 innovators in the world under age 35
Ive was the winner of the Design Museum's Designer of the Year Award in 2003, which was the first given.
Fortune named Ive the "world's smartest designer" in 2010 for his work on Apple products.
Ive holds about 400 design patents.
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One or two of Ive's achievements...
Ive was named by the MIT Technology Review TR100 one of the top 100 innovators in the world under age 35
Ive was the winner of the Design Museum's Designer of the Year Award in 2003, which was the first given.
Fortune named Ive the "world's smartest designer" in 2010 for his work on Apple products.
Ive holds about 400 design patents.
Ive was named by the MIT Technology Review TR100 one of the top 100 innovators in the world under age 35
Ive was the winner of the Design Museum's Designer of the Year Award in 2003, which was the first given.
Fortune named Ive the "world's smartest designer" in 2010 for his work on Apple products.
Ive holds about 400 design patents.
Personally i don't think designers deserve knighthoods but if they did he should get one.
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On a more serious note it was intended as a sign of peer recognition.
Usually people on Snet winge about how **** the UK is - and here we are recognising a Brit who was a major contributor to one of the world's most successful companies and most of all we get criticism. That is the root of the ails of the UK!