Climategate 2011
22 November 2011, 10:46 PM
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Climategate 2011
Uh oh, global warming loons: here comes Climategate II!
I am sure that there will be some juicy stuff uncovered in this collection as well!
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I am sure that there will be some juicy stuff uncovered in this collection as well!
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23 November 2011, 12:02 PM
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And already we have ... http://foia2011.org/index.php?id=4 ... good going since the new emails haven't been in the wild for very long ...
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23 November 2011, 12:54 PM
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It just adds more confusion to an already confusing issue.
I too believe that this is politically motivated, the timing is strangely coincidental again (just before a major climate conference). The emails appararantly cover the same time frame as before, so where have they been for the past 2 years?.
So using your logic I could argue this to be 'proof' that the sceptics are politically and financially motivated
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23 November 2011, 01:00 PM
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No sure how that is 'proof' of anything?
It just adds more confusion to an already confusing issue.
I too believe that this is politically motivated, the timing is strangely coincidental again (just before a major climate conference). The emails appararantly cover the same time frame as before, so where have they been for the past 2 years?.
So using your logic I could argue this to be 'proof' that the sceptics are politically and financially motivated
It just adds more confusion to an already confusing issue.
I too believe that this is politically motivated, the timing is strangely coincidental again (just before a major climate conference). The emails appararantly cover the same time frame as before, so where have they been for the past 2 years?.
So using your logic I could argue this to be 'proof' that the sceptics are politically and financially motivated
You mean they've started to use the same tactics as the AGW fanatics?
Maybe now we'll see it as the sham it's always been!Dave
23 November 2011, 01:02 PM
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lol. i'm amazed anyone believes any of this twaddle from either side.
the simple answer is we don't know and prob never will, were talking about comparing millions of years of climate averaging with a short few years of studies.
the simple answer is we don't know and prob never will, were talking about comparing millions of years of climate averaging with a short few years of studies.
23 November 2011, 01:02 PM
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23 November 2011, 01:05 PM
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23 November 2011, 01:59 PM
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No sure how that is 'proof' of anything?
It just adds more confusion to an already confusing issue.
I too believe that this is politically motivated, the timing is strangely coincidental again (just before a major climate conference). The emails appararantly cover the same time frame as before, so where have they been for the past 2 years?.
So using your logic I could argue this to be 'proof' that the sceptics are politically and financially motivated
It just adds more confusion to an already confusing issue.
I too believe that this is politically motivated, the timing is strangely coincidental again (just before a major climate conference). The emails appararantly cover the same time frame as before, so where have they been for the past 2 years?.
So using your logic I could argue this to be 'proof' that the sceptics are politically and financially motivated
The IPCC really should be disbanded. From its outset (the name suggests this) its goal is to prove climate change is happening, and to prove the cause is not natuural and prove that it can be averted by human interaction.
I feel this body can only exist if there is a equally funded and supported counter-body to prove the findings are actually natural, and that is it avertable by humans or not and if human interaction to avert this is actually the correct course of action. Instead we currently have to rely on crack-pot sceptics and whistle blowers.
Ideally what I want is a proper impartial study across the whole board. And quite simply, we aren't getting it.
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23 November 2011, 11:07 PM
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Chris Huhne letter to Lord Lawson and Lord Turnbull
Originally Posted by The science is settled?
The basic physics tells us (and climate modelling confirms) that temperature increases because of increases in CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and that these cause water vapour to increase, causing a further temperature rise. This positive feedback effect increases the overall impact of increasing greenhouse gases. Without any water vapour feedback, doubling CO2 in the atmosphere would cause a global average temperature increase of around 1.2oC. Increasing water vapour is understood by the vast majority of experts to increase this significantly, to around 3oC.
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28 November 2011, 09:37 AM
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Seems the edifice is starting to crumble. We see ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1eviWDvKn ...
Hilton has the ear of the PM and was the one who persuaded the poor, deluded fool to hug a husky whilst in opposition to 'enhance his green credentials'. I sense a Damascian turn-about on this issue coming from on-high. He wasn't 'wrong' mind you ..... 
We also have ... http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories...#ixzz1eyQ9c2fE ...
At long, bleddy last! Trouble is, how long before we can get rid of the extra taxes that are being rounded up for the great AGW cause????
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Steve Hilton, the Prime Minister’s director of strategy and ‘green guru’, is the latest person to admit to doubts about climate change. ‘I’m not sure I believe in it,’ he announced at a meeting of the Energy Department, prompting one aide to blurt out: ‘Did I just hear that correctly?’
We also have ... http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories...#ixzz1eyQ9c2fE ...
Canada will announce next month that it will formally withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol, CTV News has learned. The Harper government has tentatively planned an announcement for a few days before Christmas, CTV's Roger Smith reported Sunday evening.
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28 November 2011, 11:19 AM
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Oh dear, what a blow it might be for all those responsble for the wind farms that they want to put up everywhere in an effort to impress the rest of the world how we are fulfilling the requirements for a "green" future as well as crippling ourselves financially!
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28 November 2011, 04:08 PM
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totally agree - been jumped on, to scaremnonger the general public and give reason for increasing taxes.
the goverment makes money from conning people - nothing new there then.
no doubt greenhouse gases were high in 400bc ...
01 December 2011, 08:05 PM
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Some good points there guys...
The solar panels on house roofs gets me as well.
It's just another stupid government scam on the tax payer! They are commiting us to paying through the nose for miniscule amounts of electricity so they can say that Britain is closest to meeting our 'CO2 is poison' commitments to the all powerful EU bureaucrats! - Haven't given away much of my political thinking there have I? LOL
And - as for promises of huge payment for the next 25 years... They will wriggle out of it - just look at promises on pensions to take an immediately relevant topic
If you can't afford to lose it - don't gamble with it! - It can't be too long before the whole 'catastropic man-made global warming' scam comes crashing down around their ears.
Have you seen the 'Climategate 2' stuff that is being released and scrutinised at www.wattsupwiththat.com
An example of what Alex Kirby of the BBC thinks of climate skeptics as he conveys it to Dr. Phil Jones. Clearly, there an incestuous relationship between climate science and the BBC....
The solar panels on house roofs gets me as well.
It's just another stupid government scam on the tax payer! They are commiting us to paying through the nose for miniscule amounts of electricity so they can say that Britain is closest to meeting our 'CO2 is poison' commitments to the all powerful EU bureaucrats! - Haven't given away much of my political thinking there have I? LOL
And - as for promises of huge payment for the next 25 years... They will wriggle out of it - just look at promises on pensions to take an immediately relevant topic
If you can't afford to lose it - don't gamble with it! - It can't be too long before the whole 'catastropic man-made global warming' scam comes crashing down around their ears.
Have you seen the 'Climategate 2' stuff that is being released and scrutinised at www.wattsupwiththat.com
An example of what Alex Kirby of the BBC thinks of climate skeptics as he conveys it to Dr. Phil Jones. Clearly, there an incestuous relationship between climate science and the BBC....
date: Wed Dec 8 08:25:30 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.xx.xx>
subject: RE: something on new online.
to: “Alex Kirby” <alex.kirby@bbc.xxx.xx>
At 17:27 07/12/2004, you wrote:
Yes, glad you stopped this — I was sent it too, and decided to
spike it without more ado as pure stream-of-consciousness rubbish. I can
well understand your unhappiness at our running the other piece. But we
are constantly being savaged by the loonies for not giving them any
coverage at all, especially as you say with the COP in the offing, and
being the objective impartial (ho ho) BBC that we are, there is an
expectation in some quarters that we will every now and then let them
say something. I hope though that the weight of our coverage makes it
clear that we think they are talking through their hats.
—–Original Message—–
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.xx.xx>
subject: RE: something on new online.
to: “Alex Kirby” <alex.kirby@bbc.xxx.xx>
At 17:27 07/12/2004, you wrote:
Yes, glad you stopped this — I was sent it too, and decided to
spike it without more ado as pure stream-of-consciousness rubbish. I can
well understand your unhappiness at our running the other piece. But we
are constantly being savaged by the loonies for not giving them any
coverage at all, especially as you say with the COP in the offing, and
being the objective impartial (ho ho) BBC that we are, there is an
expectation in some quarters that we will every now and then let them
say something. I hope though that the weight of our coverage makes it
clear that we think they are talking through their hats.
—–Original Message—–
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit
13 December 2011, 01:37 PM
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The percentage content of CO2 in our atmosphere is 0.039%. Not a lot when you think about it.
That scale above shows the variation of the Earth's relative temperature over the centuries and is interesting as a comparison. I believe it shows that the variations are cyclical and have been higher before anyway.
I imagine that is why the phenomenon is referred to now by the politicians and the others concerned as "Climate Change". What happened to "Global Warming" then? We can only draw our own conclusions of course.
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13 December 2011, 01:39 PM
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Also, if you look at it you can see all the bad things happened when the climate was cool, so it's obvious we need to raise the global temperatures!
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