GW caused by Sun, not man, says CERN.
06 September 2011, 10:33 AM
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GW caused by Sun, not man, says CERN.
CERN have published an article stating that after their experiments, the Sun is the driver of GW not man. The Telegraph ran it.
Obviously it will get brushed under the carpet....
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Obviously it will get brushed under the carpet....
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06 September 2011, 10:38 AM
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06 September 2011, 10:49 AM
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There's too much money coming from the whole Global Warming thing for them to just accept this TBH.
Global Warming, the biggest scam the world has ever witnessed.
Global Warming, the biggest scam the world has ever witnessed.
06 September 2011, 02:29 PM
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swedish scientists came close to proving the earths temp was controlled by the number of solar explosions on the sun , with a 200year timelapse then 50year lapse for the earths seas temperatures to show any difference . point proven i suppose by the industrial revolution period where it snowed every year in the uk and the river thames froze over every winter almost , all this during a period when smog was a massive problem in all industrial cities in this country,there was proven to be less solar explosions on the sun 200 years previously. funny how thier funding was removed before they could complete thier research 
06 September 2011, 09:09 PM
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The Nature paper from CERN was pretty inconclusive. They have shown that cosmic rays can cause gas molecules to clump together, but not yet to the scale that would seed cloud formation. Until they get to that point then this is still just a theory.
James Delingpole's article definitely makes claims which are not substantiated by the paper. I hate it when the AGW lobby presents papers as conclusive proof of AGW when they do nothing of the sort, so I think it would be better if the sceptics didn't engage in the same practice.
James Delingpole's article definitely makes claims which are not substantiated by the paper. I hate it when the AGW lobby presents papers as conclusive proof of AGW when they do nothing of the sort, so I think it would be better if the sceptics didn't engage in the same practice.
06 September 2011, 10:21 PM
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FFS, anyone who doesn't think that the sun is the main driver behind the earth's climate is totally Upney Ultimately, it's the ONLY place we get any heat from so to say it has no effect on our climate when it itself undergoes regular cycles is to ignore reality. Though Al Gore would probably argue that computer models must trump observed reality .... 
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Ultimately, it's the ONLY place we get any heat from so to say it has no effect on our climate when it itself undergoes regular cycles is to ignore reality. Though Al Gore would probably argue that computer models must trump observed reality .... Dave
07 September 2011, 11:12 AM
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its climate change, and its real, it is happening,
but then again , for the entire time the earths been able to have an atmoshphere it always has been changing - nothing new here
the earth is a dynamic living, changing place,weather is subject to change along with and has so many influences - the real question is , is man helping speed up the process?
now atm its used as scaremnagering, to tax the sh*t out of everyone, but things like maintaing our enviroment through less pollution, only beneifts everyone.
the climate will change, regardless - and this country will suffer as a consequence - however long it takes
but then again , for the entire time the earths been able to have an atmoshphere it always has been changing - nothing new here
the earth is a dynamic living, changing place,weather is subject to change along with and has so many influences - the real question is , is man helping speed up the process?
now atm its used as scaremnagering, to tax the sh*t out of everyone, but things like maintaing our enviroment through less pollution, only beneifts everyone.
the climate will change, regardless - and this country will suffer as a consequence - however long it takes
07 September 2011, 01:30 PM
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its climate change, and its real, it is happening,
but then again , for the entire time the earths been able to have an atmoshphere it always has been changing - nothing new here
the earth is a dynamic living, changing place,weather is subject to change along with and has so many influences - the real question is , is man helping speed up the process?
now atm its used as scaremnagering, to tax the sh*t out of everyone, but things like maintaing our enviroment through less pollution, only beneifts everyone.
the climate will change, regardless - and this country will suffer as a consequence - however long it takes
but then again , for the entire time the earths been able to have an atmoshphere it always has been changing - nothing new here
the earth is a dynamic living, changing place,weather is subject to change along with and has so many influences - the real question is , is man helping speed up the process?
now atm its used as scaremnagering, to tax the sh*t out of everyone, but things like maintaing our enviroment through less pollution, only beneifts everyone.
the climate will change, regardless - and this country will suffer as a consequence - however long it takes
07 September 2011, 01:42 PM
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i totally agree mate
ive seen the figures on co2 ppm content where its supposseed point of no return ect ect.
tbh in this country through legislation we are not that bad offenders, in developing countries its much worse, like you say with toxic chemicals ect. but they are allowed to grow economically as did we during industrial revolution. and we were not better then.
and the reason they boom and inturn pollute and damage there own enviroment, is because we buy all there stuff for much cheaper than we could elsewhere,
so some people get very rich here/america ect
ive seen the figures on co2 ppm content where its supposseed point of no return ect ect.
tbh in this country through legislation we are not that bad offenders, in developing countries its much worse, like you say with toxic chemicals ect. but they are allowed to grow economically as did we during industrial revolution. and we were not better then.
and the reason they boom and inturn pollute and damage there own enviroment, is because we buy all there stuff for much cheaper than we could elsewhere,
so some people get very rich here/america ect
07 September 2011, 04:06 PM
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Problem is: you can't tax the sun!
Don't expect this to de-rail the Climate change evangalists anytime soon! They never let anything as trivial as science f*ck up a good argument!
Don't expect this to de-rail the Climate change evangalists anytime soon! They never let anything as trivial as science f*ck up a good argument!
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The problem is, carbon-dioxide gas doesn't in reality cause any harm to the natural environment, and the current obsession with climate change means many forms of real pollution and environmental destruction, from toxic chemicals, careless disposal of rubbish, habitat destruction and so on, are being pushed a long way into the background or even ignored completely.
Carbon dioxide is a life giving gas not some poisonous toxin that needs to be eliminated. We pump carbon dioxide into greenhouses to grow bigger fruit and vegetables because they evolved in a world with more CO2 in the atmosphere than there is now. Life on this planet loves CO2 and historically has thrived when it is abundant.
This attitude that too much CO2 will kill us all is nonsensical greenwash distracting us from the real damage that is being done with heavy metals/toxic chemicals/pesticides/carcinogens etc.
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You anti-GW peeps will like this 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk8SSqc7ekM
(sorry if posted before).
Although I still have some lingering doubts about about man's contribution to slightly messing things up. Surely it can't be right to decimate the world's forests which do seem to play a balancing role for things? And the Chinese chucking out billions of tonnes of s,hit into the air can't help?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk8SSqc7ekM
(sorry if posted before).
Although I still have some lingering doubts about about man's contribution to slightly messing things up. Surely it can't be right to decimate the world's forests which do seem to play a balancing role for things? And the Chinese chucking out billions of tonnes of s,hit into the air can't help?
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think some are missing the point here, c02 itself is not poison in normal doses, infact plants thrive on it,
its the fact it has a mild green house effect. which the pushers say will increase global warming rate and ultimatley kill us all, so the answer tax us to fck to give the struggling governmaet some money, plus large corporations look good if reducing something people dont understand.
but again the reality is - recycling, and effeincy will benefit us all - in the long run.
living a bit "green" is no bad thing especially if you care about future generations.
theres no need for the amount of waste that currently happens - and theres also no need for w*nkers like al gore!! spouting sh''te
its the fact it has a mild green house effect. which the pushers say will increase global warming rate and ultimatley kill us all, so the answer tax us to fck to give the struggling governmaet some money, plus large corporations look good if reducing something people dont understand.
but again the reality is - recycling, and effeincy will benefit us all - in the long run.
living a bit "green" is no bad thing especially if you care about future generations.
theres no need for the amount of waste that currently happens - and theres also no need for w*nkers like al gore!! spouting sh''te
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think some are missing the point here, c02 itself is not poison in normal doses, infact plants thrive on it,
its the fact it has a mild green house effect. which the pushers say will increase global warming rate and ultimatley kill us all, so the answer tax us to fck to give the struggling governmaet some money, plus large corporations look good if reducing something people dont understand.
but again the reality is - recycling, and effeincy will benefit us all - in the long run.
living a bit "green" is no bad thing especially if you care about future generations.
theres no need for the amount of waste that currently happens - and theres also no need for w*nkers like al gore!! spouting sh''te
its the fact it has a mild green house effect. which the pushers say will increase global warming rate and ultimatley kill us all, so the answer tax us to fck to give the struggling governmaet some money, plus large corporations look good if reducing something people dont understand.
but again the reality is - recycling, and effeincy will benefit us all - in the long run.
living a bit "green" is no bad thing especially if you care about future generations.
theres no need for the amount of waste that currently happens - and theres also no need for w*nkers like al gore!! spouting sh''te
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzLebC0mjCQ
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PS: just playing devil's advocate here because all we get from the greenies is we're all going "to hell in a handcart" unless we run the world their way!