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01 September 2011, 01:03 PM
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I was just listening to Jeremy Vine and he was interviewing Vanessa Redgrave regarding the Dale Farm traveller site and that are due to be evicted.
The local council have been fighting this case for 10 years, as the travellers did not have permission to build on the site, although they do own the land.
I was absolutely shocked at Vanessa's responses to some of the questions asked by callers.
I have had dealings with travellers in the past so I feel I have the right to have a well formed opinion and I detest them. I have been threatened as was my father some years ago.
If you or I built something without planning permission, we would be forced to pull it down and quite rightly so.
And more the point, why do 'travellers' need a permanent site?
Or am I missing something here?
The local council have been fighting this case for 10 years, as the travellers did not have permission to build on the site, although they do own the land.
I was absolutely shocked at Vanessa's responses to some of the questions asked by callers.
I have had dealings with travellers in the past so I feel I have the right to have a well formed opinion and I detest them. I have been threatened as was my father some years ago.
If you or I built something without planning permission, we would be forced to pull it down and quite rightly so.
And more the point, why do 'travellers' need a permanent site?
Or am I missing something here?
01 September 2011, 01:06 PM
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they need somewhere to store all of the tarmac they always "just happen to have left over", I have wondered about this too, if they don't travel then they are not traveller's anymore.
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01 September 2011, 01:13 PM
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I'd like to ask some of these defenders about taxes. The traveller kids go to local schools etc. They had to close Crays hills school in the end. I wonder what taxes they pay for their education?
Also, they own the land, but do they pay for their electricity etc? Or do they steal it?
Where do their incomes come from, and do they pay income tax?
Are all the cars on site properly registered, taxed and insured?
Would be a good time to check out some of those details
Also, they own the land, but do they pay for their electricity etc? Or do they steal it?
Where do their incomes come from, and do they pay income tax?
Are all the cars on site properly registered, taxed and insured?
Would be a good time to check out some of those details
01 September 2011, 01:16 PM
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I believe many of them have houses/property back in Ireland. I suggest that they are sent back there although of course that would break all the EC rules 
I feel very sorry indeed for the decent folk who have to live anywhere near them.
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I feel very sorry indeed for the decent folk who have to live anywhere near them.
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01 September 2011, 01:22 PM
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I'd like to ask some of these defenders about taxes. The traveller kids go to local schools etc. They had to close Crays hills school in the end. I wonder what taxes they pay for their education?
Also, they own the land, but do they pay for their electricity etc? Or do they steal it?
Where do their incomes come from, and do they pay income tax?
Are all the cars on site properly registered, taxed and insured?
Would be a good time to check out some of those details
Also, they own the land, but do they pay for their electricity etc? Or do they steal it?
Where do their incomes come from, and do they pay income tax?
Are all the cars on site properly registered, taxed and insured?
Would be a good time to check out some of those details
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01 September 2011, 02:12 PM
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01 September 2011, 02:18 PM
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I heard that on radio 2 as well. That Vanessa Redgrave is not plugged in!
I think it would interesting to do as Fantom says and delve a little deeper. No one should get any services if they are eligible to pay and don't. Ultimately they can live as they like, just as long as they don't milk the taxpayers for schooling and health care etc.
I think it would interesting to do as Fantom says and delve a little deeper. No one should get any services if they are eligible to pay and don't. Ultimately they can live as they like, just as long as they don't milk the taxpayers for schooling and health care etc.
01 September 2011, 02:36 PM
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This is the same Vanessa Redgrave who was against Israel building on land where they didn't have permission.
She also helped two terror suspects walk free when she paid £40,000 towards their bail fee. Source.
She also helped two terror suspects walk free when she paid £40,000 towards their bail fee. Source.
01 September 2011, 02:50 PM
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The reason they have sites is because people don't like it when they just pull up on the local playing field and then proceed to cover it in crap - that bit I understand, some sort of hard standing so different groups can come and go, maybe even given as an address for tax/utilities etc.
However permanent buildings? no chance. They are saying they'll move to a site 50 yards down the road though so this will do very little.
FYI this has also been a big money making scam for the 'travellers'. They buy a greenbelt site for chips, move on it, put in drains etc and then apply for retrospective planning permission thus getting a change of use and making the land a lot more valuable.
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However permanent buildings? no chance. They are saying they'll move to a site 50 yards down the road though so this will do very little.
FYI this has also been a big money making scam for the 'travellers'. They buy a greenbelt site for chips, move on it, put in drains etc and then apply for retrospective planning permission thus getting a change of use and making the land a lot more valuable.
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01 September 2011, 04:03 PM
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it's a bit like all the support for the one that's on Big Brother, all very well watching him on tv but if they lived next to you you'd soon change your tune. They are a pain in the ****
01 September 2011, 04:21 PM
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I heard that on radio 2 as well. That Vanessa Redgrave is not plugged in!
I think it would interesting to do as Fantom says and delve a little deeper. No one should get any services if they are eligible to pay and don't. Ultimately they can live as they like, just as long as they don't milk the taxpayers for schooling and health care etc.
I think it would interesting to do as Fantom says and delve a little deeper. No one should get any services if they are eligible to pay and don't. Ultimately they can live as they like, just as long as they don't milk the taxpayers for schooling and health care etc.
They kept appearing on a piece of public land near to where I used to live. Kids used it as a cut through to school (which they were totally entitled to do as the land was for public use) and I used to use it as part of my running route. Turned in there late one night and didn't realise until I was a good 20 yards in that pikeys had set up camp. Two young men approached me in a threatening manner, making comments and laughing which at 9pm on a winters evening, can be a little unnerving to say the least. As I continued to run through (as fast as I could), a beer bottle landed a couple of feet in front of me.
Reported it to the Police as soon as I got in but they couldn't do anything and the pikeys eventually left after a few weeks, leaving all their crap including burnt out cars behind them.
The local gym had issues too. If they didn't let them use the facilities, the gym would have been smashed to bits the next morning.
They are scum, plain and simple.
01 September 2011, 04:22 PM
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After 10 years of the Mrs watching both shows, I threatened divorce if she watched them again!
01 September 2011, 05:12 PM
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Agreed.
They kept appearing on a piece of public land near to where I used to live. Kids used it as a cut through to school (which they were totally entitled to do as the land was for public use) and I used to use it as part of my running route. Turned in there late one night and didn't realise until I was a good 20 yards in that pikeys had set up camp. Two young men approached me in a threatening manner, making comments and laughing which at 9pm on a winters evening, can be a little unnerving to say the least. As I continued to run through (as fast as I could), a beer bottle landed a couple of feet in front of me.
Reported it to the Police as soon as I got in but they couldn't do anything and the pikeys eventually left after a few weeks, leaving all their crap including burnt out cars behind them.
The local gym had issues too. If they didn't let them use the facilities, the gym would have been smashed to bits the next morning.
They are scum, plain and simple.
They kept appearing on a piece of public land near to where I used to live. Kids used it as a cut through to school (which they were totally entitled to do as the land was for public use) and I used to use it as part of my running route. Turned in there late one night and didn't realise until I was a good 20 yards in that pikeys had set up camp. Two young men approached me in a threatening manner, making comments and laughing which at 9pm on a winters evening, can be a little unnerving to say the least. As I continued to run through (as fast as I could), a beer bottle landed a couple of feet in front of me.
Reported it to the Police as soon as I got in but they couldn't do anything and the pikeys eventually left after a few weeks, leaving all their crap including burnt out cars behind them.
The local gym had issues too. If they didn't let them use the facilities, the gym would have been smashed to bits the next morning.
They are scum, plain and simple.
There's a lot of them around Glasgow and the surrounding areas. One industrial estate near Bellshill has a road they use as a tipping ground, and there used to be a site near Airdie that resembled a tipping ground when they left it.
Having said that, I know and have worked for people you would call 'gypsies' (fair ground folk) and they are very trustworthy, decent people. But I agree they should not get the use of taxpayers money if they don't pay it.
The bad ones do prey on easy targets (i.e. people on their own) when they get the chance. When a mate of mine was doing grass cutting and strimming etc years ago when he first left the school, he was working in an industrial estate in Glasgow. Left his strimmer for 5 mins and they'd taken it. His boss made him go on his own to get it back from a big group of them.
To be fair they did give it back after scaring the sh*te out of him for a laugh. They are just a pain in the **** in general.
01 September 2011, 05:12 PM
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About 10 or so years ago some travelers got on some of my familys land and had sort of dug a bit of a trench round themselves, presumably defensive, we went down there pretty heavy handed and there was a confrontation as that flared up one of our guys used a JCB to trench them in properly before my uncle and his two pals drove round the corner in their tractors towing muck spreaders of manure/slurry which was then unleashed all over the trenched in gypsy scum
The memory still puts the biggest smile on my face, just never gets old
The memory still puts the biggest smile on my face, just never gets old
01 September 2011, 05:22 PM
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I think the main failing has been the council and authorities letting it get this far, the minute they started building on the land the notice should have been served, not ten years after.
They want a certain amoutn of participation to get benefits and health care but dont want to pay tax or abide by the rules, the reason they could afford to buy that land was that it was green belt/arable, i.e. no planning permission and no possiblility of getting it, building plots cost a fortune for a reason and the council cant just back down and it sets a precident and apparent free reign for anyone to build whatever they want on any land they happen to own. My in laws have a few acres, if they could build a number of houses they would make a packet, but they cant and they dont want to build a load of chinzy garages, hardstanding, piles of ****e and other gyppo nonsense.
Vannessa Redgrave needs to **** off, she doesnt live next door to the dump and put up with the initimidation, mess and noise.
They want a certain amoutn of participation to get benefits and health care but dont want to pay tax or abide by the rules, the reason they could afford to buy that land was that it was green belt/arable, i.e. no planning permission and no possiblility of getting it, building plots cost a fortune for a reason and the council cant just back down and it sets a precident and apparent free reign for anyone to build whatever they want on any land they happen to own. My in laws have a few acres, if they could build a number of houses they would make a packet, but they cant and they dont want to build a load of chinzy garages, hardstanding, piles of ****e and other gyppo nonsense.
Vannessa Redgrave needs to **** off, she doesnt live next door to the dump and put up with the initimidation, mess and noise.
01 September 2011, 06:39 PM
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I think the main failing has been the council and authorities letting it get this far, the minute they started building on the land the notice should have been served, not ten years after.
They want a certain amoutn of participation to get benefits and health care but dont want to pay tax or abide by the rules, the reason they could afford to buy that land was that it was green belt/arable, i.e. no planning permission and no possiblility of getting it, building plots cost a fortune for a reason and the council cant just back down and it sets a precident and apparent free reign for anyone to build whatever they want on any land they happen to own. My in laws have a few acres, if they could build a number of houses they would make a packet, but they cant and they dont want to build a load of chinzy garages, hardstanding, piles of ****e and other gyppo nonsense.
Vannessa Redgrave needs to **** off, she doesnt live next door to the dump and put up with the initimidation, mess and noise.
They want a certain amoutn of participation to get benefits and health care but dont want to pay tax or abide by the rules, the reason they could afford to buy that land was that it was green belt/arable, i.e. no planning permission and no possiblility of getting it, building plots cost a fortune for a reason and the council cant just back down and it sets a precident and apparent free reign for anyone to build whatever they want on any land they happen to own. My in laws have a few acres, if they could build a number of houses they would make a packet, but they cant and they dont want to build a load of chinzy garages, hardstanding, piles of ****e and other gyppo nonsense.
Vannessa Redgrave needs to **** off, she doesnt live next door to the dump and put up with the initimidation, mess and noise.
01 September 2011, 10:50 PM
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02 September 2011, 09:28 AM
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I'll bulldoze it myself if they pay for travel and few days off work.
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02 September 2011, 10:08 AM
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I had the joy of watching Redgrave on the TV this morning - she needs a get well card!
Hampshire CC have given the go ahead for this:-
http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/s...r_twoyear_saga
Point them in the direction of Calais and let them really travel ...
Hampshire CC have given the go ahead for this:-
http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/s...r_twoyear_saga
Point them in the direction of Calais and let them really travel ...
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just seen some councillor on the news saying they have been offered council accomadation,so why is it decent hard working people have now chance or have to wait years to get one makes me sick 
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Interesting comment after this blog ... http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=23225 ... from a chap that says he's local ... just reinforces what most people think of these, so-called, travellers.
What I cannot fathom, though, is WHY the police won't take action? If they have the evidence then there's no issue surely? If the perps 'resist' then even more reason to bang them up!
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What I cannot fathom, though, is WHY the police won't take action? If they have the evidence then there's no issue surely? If the perps 'resist' then even more reason to bang them up!
Dave
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