Is this an appropriate prison sentence?
30 July 2011, 05:35 PM
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Is this an appropriate prison sentence?
A Muslim extremist who posted a call for attacks on MPs who supported the Iraq war on a radical website, along with where to buy a knife, has been jailed for 12 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ening-MPs.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ening-MPs.html
30 July 2011, 05:42 PM
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as much as id like to say job well done, and common sense enforced in atleast one case
its maybe a bit extreme
altho having said that probably be out in 2 years, community service ect
personally, id say remove from country and not allowed back, plus relives burden form british tax payers
its maybe a bit extreme
altho having said that probably be out in 2 years, community service ect
personally, id say remove from country and not allowed back, plus relives burden form british tax payers
30 July 2011, 05:43 PM
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In a nutshell , yes, it's about time this country started being hard on these idiots.
My only concern is they will serve their sentence in the UK at cost to us whreas I think they should be deported immediately to their native country whether they like it or not.
Chip
My only concern is they will serve their sentence in the UK at cost to us whreas I think they should be deported immediately to their native country whether they like it or not.
Chip
30 July 2011, 05:51 PM
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30 July 2011, 06:19 PM
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12 years for saying you are going to do something or urging others does seem fairly harsh but it sends a clear message to extremists that we now don't **** about when it comes to stuff like that. People get much, much less for actually killing someone when driving a car drunk which I think is much worse.
30 July 2011, 06:29 PM
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12 years for saying you are going to do something or urging others does seem fairly harsh but it sends a clear message to extremists that we now don't **** about when it comes to stuff like that. People get much, much less for actually killing someone when driving a car drunk which I think is much worse.
If person(s) B was your wife or kid would you think it was harsh?
30 July 2011, 06:37 PM
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People say a lot of stuff Tony, for many reasons but never actually act on it, my point was that this saying he was going to kill somebody seems to be being penalised more harshly than actually killing someone, not saying they are wrong but there does seem to be some big anomalies in our Judicial system.
30 July 2011, 06:47 PM
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People say a lot of stuff Tony, for many reasons but never actually act on it, my point was that this saying he was going to kill somebody seems to be being penalised more harshly than actually killing someone, not saying they are wrong but there does seem to be some big anomalies in our Judicial system.
no sh*t lol
30 July 2011, 08:12 PM
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People say a lot of stuff Tony, for many reasons but never actually act on it, my point was that this saying he was going to kill somebody seems to be being penalised more harshly than actually killing someone, not saying they are wrong but there does seem to be some big anomalies in our Judicial system.
What anomalies? It's quite possible to kill someone by accidient, or otherwise unintentionally. It's all about intent.
The intent was there for this guy.
30 July 2011, 08:30 PM
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Yes, but to be honest Tony how many people say they could "murder" someone in jest, how many people post bollocks on here (me included) that they would never do, ok, this is a little more serious but it is still not actual crime until they do it, this isn't "Vanilla Sky" where we can predict what people will actually do, whereas I would be more concerned with someone who drinks and drives then actually kills someone than someone who talks about it and might, regardless of ethnic origin.
30 July 2011, 08:44 PM
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sounds like "thought crime" to me
the **** sounds like a cvnt, -- 12 years?, if being a cvnt's a crime, most posters on scoobynet would be inside
the **** sounds like a cvnt, -- 12 years?, if being a cvnt's a crime, most posters on scoobynet would be inside
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30 July 2011, 08:49 PM
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What he actually did was asked other people to kill, and gave them instructions.
He was soliciting murder.
30 July 2011, 08:50 PM
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) still have an axe to grind against us with troubles abroad etc.I think the sentence was justified, hopefully we will see more of these religiuos nutjobs locked up for longer or even deported back to the **** holes they came from in future.
30 July 2011, 08:51 PM
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Yes, but to be honest Tony how many people say they could "murder" someone in jest, how many people post bollocks on here (me included) that they would never do, ok, this is a little more serious but it is still not actual crime until they do it, this isn't "Vanilla Sky" where we can predict what people will actually do, whereas I would be more concerned with someone who drinks and drives then actually kills someone than someone who talks about it and might, regardless of ethnic origin.
30 July 2011, 10:48 PM
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12 years sounds about right.
But then where does this sit with freedom of speech? You're free to speak*
*as long as you conform.
Now if he had said kill the gingers...
But then where does this sit with freedom of speech? You're free to speak*
*as long as you conform.
Now if he had said kill the gingers...
30 July 2011, 11:31 PM
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It's not so much that he just blurted out a random online "they all deserve to die", he systematically and repeatedly posted detailed instructions on exactly how and where they could most easily be targeted, gave their names, addresses etc.
Short of offering a cash reward, there wasn't much more he could have done to entice people to murder them.
Short of offering a cash reward, there wasn't much more he could have done to entice people to murder them.
30 July 2011, 11:35 PM
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Didn't say how old he was? Probably some crazy brainwashed kid but he had to be sent down of course.
12 years? Makes no odds really as I expect he will feel the same when he comes out in 6 years or whatever.
The real culprits are the folk that twisted his mind.
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12 years? Makes no odds really as I expect he will feel the same when he comes out in 6 years or whatever.
The real culprits are the folk that twisted his mind.
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31 July 2011, 01:10 AM
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Yes. And the mind that twisted their's and the mind that twisted their's and so and so forth until you get back to the source.
31 July 2011, 07:17 AM
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True but you need to realise the type of people we are dealing with here, religious fanatics who hate us (although they live here in houses we built and use our NHS and claim our benefits ) still have an axe to grind against us with troubles abroad etc.
I think the sentence was justified, hopefully we will see more of these religiuos nutjobs locked up for longer or even deported back to the **** holes they came from in future.
) still have an axe to grind against us with troubles abroad etc.I think the sentence was justified, hopefully we will see more of these religiuos nutjobs locked up for longer or even deported back to the **** holes they came from in future.
31 July 2011, 08:16 AM
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True but you need to realise the type of people we are dealing with here, religious fanatics who hate us (although they live here in houses we built and use our NHS and claim our benefits ) still have an axe to grind against us with troubles abroad etc.
I think the sentence was justified, hopefully we will see more of these religiuos nutjobs locked up for longer or even deported back to the **** holes they came from in future.
) still have an axe to grind against us with troubles abroad etc.I think the sentence was justified, hopefully we will see more of these religiuos nutjobs locked up for longer or even deported back to the **** holes they came from in future.
This is what makes me laugh. These idiots purport to be on some Jihadist mission but yet are quite happy to exploit the advantages of the freedom and hopsitality of those they wish to harm. Okay in this case he was targetting MPs who aren't flavour of the month but you get the point. Jihad from what I understand can only be taken against those that take up arms against you. Much of the problem stems from newly converted followers whose intentions are dubious.
31 July 2011, 09:04 AM
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This is what makes me laugh. These idiots purport to be on some Jihadist mission but yet are quite happy to exploit the advantages of the freedom and hopsitality of those they wish to harm. Okay in this case he was targetting MPs who aren't flavour of the month but you get the point. Jihad from what I understand can only be taken against those that take up arms against you. Much of the problem stems from newly converted followers whose intentions are dubious.
31 July 2011, 09:13 AM
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Not even the most ardent libertarian would argue that freedom of speech includes freedom to solicit murder, since it is clearly jeopardising the security of others.
31 July 2011, 09:20 AM
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How would that be relevant unless you believe that the British state was at war with Muslims, just MP's don't count as they don't physically wield weapons?