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Old 18 July 2011, 10:54 AM
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Our lovely corporate IT department, conveniently based in Atlanta so away from the coal face, decided to roll out some company wide updates without really telling anyone over the weekend including removing admin rights on all PCs.

As an engineer and software developer this is making life very difficult, added to that several items of specialised / custom software that we run no longer work.

Heads could roll Making for an interesting Monday morning anyway
Old 18 July 2011, 10:58 AM
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who approved the change?
Old 18 July 2011, 11:14 AM
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Old 18 July 2011, 11:15 AM
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Indeed - someone must have approved the change in order for it to be put live.
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Originally Posted by urban
Indeed - someone must have approved the change in order for it to be put live.

As long as they follow the change process that is.

I'd be interested to see the CAB notes for that Change Request - given that every single manager on the CAB would be affected by the work (and negatively) I'm surprised it got through.

We did this for a client of ours (on their behest) and the amount of grief we got.... I'm still getting fallout from the desktop lockdown we imposed on the client's behest as well. (all done via change control...)
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Originally Posted by Kieran_Burns
As long as they follow the change process that is.

I'd be interested to see the CAB notes for that Change Request - given that every single manager on the CAB would be affected by the work (and negatively) I'm surprised it got through.

We did this for a client of ours (on their behest) and the amount of grief we got.... I'm still getting fallout from the desktop lockdown we imposed on the client's behest as well. (all done via change control...)
It's more likely a lack of understanding backed up by someone talking techy on the call ..

CAB calls are a PITA, but they are never held by people who actually understand the end to end change .. least in my experience.
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
who approved the change?
Head office and all under the premise of making our network more secure, getting rid of any unauthorised software, checking we have the right licenses, etc.

Apparently they've specifically been trying to hide the details of what's going to happen and just launch it upon us, then it's a case of put up with it or shut up. Not the biggest company in the world admittedly but seems pretty incompetent when it comes to stuff like this

And yes still have SNet access

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Well... if it got approval then it got approval.

We've doen similar here but ran a proper POC with the business to ensure that negative impact would be minimal.

to be honeszt, most of the fallout we've had has been people just moaning because they cant' do what they want any more, and not actually anythign at all to do with productivity...
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Presumabily there would have been a pre-testing phase in a test environment and then small pilot in the productive environment?

I guess it all works fine in Atlanta and there are no problems. I have similar issues with things like this coming from our HQ made worse as a lot of the services have recently been outsourced who then sub contract the work to another outsource company. No body seems accountable and people deny responsibility when the cr@p hits the fan.
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Originally Posted by jonc
Presumabily there would have been a pre-testing phase in a test environment and then small pilot in the productive environment?

I guess it all works fine in Atlanta and there are no problems. I have similar issues with things like this coming from our HQ made worse as a lot of the services have recently been outsourced who then sub contract the work to another outsource company. No body seems accountable and people deny responsibility when the cr@p hits the fan.

buwahahahahahahahaha!

Next thing you'll be asking for is documentation!

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Originally Posted by Kieran_Burns
buwahahahahahahahaha!

Next thing you'll be asking for is documentation!

PMSL... so so true!
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Originally Posted by jonc
Presumabily there would have been a pre-testing phase in a test environment and then small pilot in the productive environment?

I guess it all works fine in Atlanta and there are no problems. I have similar issues with things like this coming from our HQ made worse as a lot of the services have recently been outsourced who then sub contract the work to another outsource company. No body seems accountable and people deny responsibility when the cr@p hits the fan.
Yeah right, problem is as an electronic engineering company we run so much different software etc. it's never going to pick up on everything. We have an expensive Agilent oscilloscope that runs WindowsXP and even that has got goosed as it was connected to the network.
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I work in an IT department looking after the pc's, usually somebody rolls something out from the servers or changes an application without asking us what it's going to break, we then come in the next day and have to individually fix 1000's of pc's and it take us weeks to do so !!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by windyboy
I work in an IT department looking after the pc's, usually somebody rolls something out from the servers or changes an application without asking us what it's going to break, we then come in the next day and have to individually fix 1000's of pc's and it take us weeks to do so !!!!!!!!

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Old 18 July 2011, 02:28 PM
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Funnily enough I've just started a new job. The first thing I've had to do is roll out a load of system updates from our head office here in Atlanta.

Everything looks good so far.
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Originally Posted by dazdavies
Funnily enough I've just started a new job. The first thing I've had to do is roll out a load of system updates from our head office here in Atlanta.

Everything looks good so far.

...and then the phone starts ringing....
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Originally Posted by windyboy
I work in an IT department looking after the pc's, usually somebody rolls something out from the servers or changes an application without asking us what it's going to break, we then come in the next day and have to individually fix 1000's of pc's and it take us weeks to do so !!!!!!!!

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Can't even login this morning

Wonder what the downtime costs are going to be.
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Probably no more than the cost of the times you spend on here on here instead!
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Originally Posted by Coffin Dodger
Our lovely corporate IT department, conveniently based in Atlanta so away from the coal face, decided to roll out some company wide updates without really telling anyone over the weekend including removing admin rights on all PCs.

As an engineer and software developer this is making life very difficult, added to that several items of specialised / custom software that we run no longer work.

Heads could roll Making for an interesting Monday morning anyway
No doubt the rolling drop-in telecon has already started and will continue all week.... Even though they'lll have fixed or tuned out the effects of the change by Tuesday morning. Some people have to have a drama to boss about even after it's ****ing fixed!
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Old 20 July 2011, 06:23 AM
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Thought the norm was that desktops first blamed us (networks) before even looking into the issue?
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**** rolls downwards with the exception of IT Issues whereby it's always the server/infrastucture team's fault.
Old 21 July 2011, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stevep360
Thought the norm was that desktops first blamed us (networks) before even looking into the issue?

It's never a networks problem
Old 21 July 2011, 03:57 PM
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Firewalls upgraded at work 2 weeks ago. I came in the following day to find my Flight Tracking system throwing error messages and running really slowly.

I call IT support. Now in Poland.

"What did you change last night"

"Nothing"

"Didn't the firewalls get upgraded"

"Yes, but that won't cause your problem"

"Well I'm betting it has so fix it!"

I get a call from them after a week.

"We've checked and everything is OK here, and at the data centre in Oz. The problems in the cloud so we can't do anything else.

I reply; "**** off and fix it. What sort of **** do you think I am"?

Two weeks later I get a call from networks.

"Your Tracking System should be 100% operational now"

I test it, it is.

"Firewalls was it?" I say.

"Yes, missing a config parameter" is the reply.

TWO ****ING WEEKS LOST.

*****.
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Our IT department sits the other end of the building on my floor and the look of horror when i go down and complain to their face about issues like the web being at dial up speed again and we use a lot of web based applications

As some one who deals with complaining customers regularly it amazes me the slowness of IT response to issues e.g. light out i am expected to replace lamp in 2 hours printer cartridge empty 10 days!
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Originally Posted by windyboy
It's never a networks problem
correct its always desktop/server who cannot be arsed to check their kit first
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Originally Posted by stevep360
correct its always desktop/server who cannot be arsed to check their kit first

that's 'cos the law of averages means it's usually your fault
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Originally Posted by Coffin Dodger
Our lovely corporate IT department, conveniently based in Atlanta so away from the coal face, decided to roll out some company wide updates without really telling anyone over the weekend including removing admin rights on all PCs.

As an engineer and software developer this is making life very difficult, added to that several items of specialised / custom software that we run no longer work.

Heads could roll Making for an interesting Monday morning anyway
Hmm, you don't work for a UK based engineering consultancy do you ?
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
Hmm, you don't work for a UK based engineering consultancy do you ?
You could call it that but no we are only consultants to our Canadian HQ and we develop glorified satellite telephones for aircraft.
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Originally Posted by Kieran_Burns
that's 'cos the law of averages means it's usually your fault
No doubt the reason that this forum is so darn slow is the fact that the internet and the thousands of ASN's and high speed carrier links are all over congested and causing outages left right and center, and not the fact the tight owners of the server won't give it some more beef eh

Believe me, it's nearly 95% the application/server in the environment me and stevep360 work at - which I believe is now the largest corporate network in the UK.
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