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Old 20 June 2011, 10:48 AM
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Exclamation RED LIGHT 'CAMERAS'...???

Do traffic lights HAVE to have the small yellow cameras on top to be able to snap you and convict you, if you accidentally - or on purpose, if that's your bag! - go through a red (after a certain timed period, of course).

Or are they now fitted with some other covert device that records the offence, that you otherwise cannot see/make out on the traffic light/mounting pole?


Just want to be clear on the current 'state of the art ' red light technology/legalities, that's all...

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Old 20 June 2011, 10:58 AM
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What is the timed period? Anyone know?

I went through a red the other day maybe half a second after it went red. Thought I could make it though on amber but failed.
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Did it flash?
Old 20 June 2011, 11:06 AM
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And I think the time limit is 3 seconds bit could be wrong
Old 20 June 2011, 12:01 PM
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I haven't got done recently.

But did get done this time last year - I accidentally went through a red, according to the NIP, 2.xxx secs after it had changed.

But this is the reason why I ask about cameras: as that set I got 'done' on, didn't appear to have ANY type of external camera on them - let alone an obvious bright yellow mini Gatso! Not even the small grey/black 'traffic flow observation' ones were present!

Are they now fitted with some kind of covert stealth micro camera/recording equipment or something?! I'm confused.

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Old 20 June 2011, 12:06 PM
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No they dont have to be yellow backed, if it is yellowed backed then it is also authorised for speeding through the lights aswell as red light offences.
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Originally Posted by birchy2010
No they dont have to be yellow backed, if it is yellowed backed then it is also authorised for speeding through the lights aswell as red light offences.
Sure. Thanks for that.


But, as said, this set didn't have ANY kind of visible camera (rectangular box/s) on the pole - or behind them on a seperate pole!

For all intents and purposes, they looked just like a regular set of traffic lights.

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Old 20 June 2011, 02:29 PM
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May have been a traffic monitoring cctv camera high up somewhere? I know they catch people driving in bus lanes using cctv.
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Originally Posted by scoobeenut
May have been a traffic monitoring cctv camera high up somewhere? I know they catch people driving in bus lanes using cctv.
Well unless they've taken it down since then, then no.

They are 'on' a roundabout. I go through these lights to and from work, 10 times a week. So unless I'm being an ultra thicko, then I can't see nowt! lol

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Have a look at the junction on google street view, it might show something that you haven't seen.
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Rather than a camera on top of the lights I think it is a camera mounted on a pole before you get to the lights and it takes a picture from your rear. The ones I have seen around here are light yellow.

I understand that they are triggered by sensors under the road at the white line and if you even creep over the line and stop while the lights are red, if you activate the sensors it will take a picture and you will get done!

I believe the ANPR spy cameras are painted blue, don't know about cctv ones though.

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I've kept the NIP letter - I'll have to dig it out tonight to see if I've overlooked something obvious, etc.........

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Originally Posted by Ant
Did it flash?
Not that I am aware of.
Old 20 June 2011, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Not that I am aware of.
You'll be fine then
Old 20 June 2011, 06:13 PM
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They don't have to flash now, a lot of the newer ones are digital with no flash and no film
Old 20 June 2011, 07:21 PM
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There will be a big green or grey box somewhere nearby.....like a phone exchange box...........£5 of unleaded squirted in should ease your mind
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I think I must've been nicked by a 'phantom' camera!!! LOL

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Old 04 July 2011, 09:53 PM
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Anyone know the time limit for the police/CPS to serve a TS10 NIP? 16days?

Or is 14... Or even 28?!
Old 05 July 2011, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by joz8968
Anyone know the time limit for the police/CPS to serve a TS10 NIP? 16days?

Or is 14... Or even 28?!
No-one?
Old 05 July 2011, 01:00 PM
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14 days allowing tiime for the post.

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Old 05 July 2011, 01:14 PM
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Brill! Hopefully, I'm clear then! (Now on the 17th day).

(I would go into the circumstances, but won't bore people ).

Thanks.

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In summary then, you ran a red light, saw no camera & ended up without a NIP

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Well, not sure if I actually ran a red light TBH - it could well have been green!!, anyway

But there were significant mitigating circumstances - which I won't go into.

But, as you say, even if it was a red, the fact that there appeared to be NO cameras, will be the reason why I... er... haven't received a NIP, regardless!

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Old 06 July 2011, 03:34 PM
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Looks as though you have got away with it then.

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Well, it's now into the 18th day.

So unless the post is fvcked?!...................... (Mind, it's not as that would be some kind of revelation, would it? )
Old 06 July 2011, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
What is the timed period? Anyone know?

I went through a red the other day maybe half a second after it went red. Thought I could make it though on amber but failed.
I was once told by a gentleman police officer that amber also means stop.
Old 06 July 2011, 07:43 PM
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Amber does indeed mean stop.

As for the "time" limit from amber to red and camera arming round here its 1 second after red in a 30 limit. So, you have a fair bit of grace given that amber will also be on for a minimum of 1 second also.
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Well... It's now the 36th day! So any concerns I had about whether I went through a red or not, have totally evaporated.

I win!

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More like you don't lose!

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Yes quite Les! That is indeed the correct Q.E.D. to end on.

(...He says, as he hears the whuump of the NIP package land on his door mat. Only kidding lol).

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