British Bill of Rights - do we need it and if so will we ever get it???
03 June 2011, 08:58 AM
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British Bill of Rights - do we need it and if so will we ever get it???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12482442
A commission to investigate a British Bill of Rights will be set up "imminently", David Cameron has said.
He told MPs it was about time decisions were made in Parliament, not in courts.
The Conservatives had wanted to replace the Human Rights Act 1998 with a UK Bill of Rights but that was opposed by their Lib Dem coalition partners.
Instead a commission is being set up to look into it. Last week MPs rejected a European Court of Human Rights ruling on giving prisoners the vote.
The vote, prompted by Tory backbencher David Davis and former Labour home secretary Jack Straw, was not binding but could put pressure on ministers to go against the Strasbourg court's ruling.
At Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday, Mr Cameron responded to Tory MP Phillip Davies who complained about a Supreme Court ruling that sex offenders could appeal against having to register with the police for life. The UK court ruled that the lack of a review was incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.
Mr Cameron told MPs Mr Davies "speaks for many people when he says how completely offensive it is to have once again a ruling by a court that seems to fly completely in the face of common sense".
He added: "The commission we are establishing to look at a British bill of rights will be established imminently because I think it's about time we started making sure decisions are made in this Parliament rather than in the courts."
Home Secretary Theresa May said Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg and Justice Secretary Ken Clarke would be giving more details shortly.
But she told MPs: "It is time to assert that it is Parliament that makes our laws, not the courts, and that the rights of the public come before the rights of criminals and above all that we have a legal framework that brings sanity to cases such as these."
She was pressed by Conservative MPs Mark Pritchard, Peter Bone and Phillip Hollobone to set a firm timetable for a UK bill of rights.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/m...faces-deadlock
I would rather we as a nation had some degree of control over our own destiny and we where not subservient to the EU who seem to have little or no interest in what is best for this country.
A commission to investigate a British Bill of Rights will be set up "imminently", David Cameron has said.
He told MPs it was about time decisions were made in Parliament, not in courts.
The Conservatives had wanted to replace the Human Rights Act 1998 with a UK Bill of Rights but that was opposed by their Lib Dem coalition partners.
Instead a commission is being set up to look into it. Last week MPs rejected a European Court of Human Rights ruling on giving prisoners the vote.
The vote, prompted by Tory backbencher David Davis and former Labour home secretary Jack Straw, was not binding but could put pressure on ministers to go against the Strasbourg court's ruling.
At Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday, Mr Cameron responded to Tory MP Phillip Davies who complained about a Supreme Court ruling that sex offenders could appeal against having to register with the police for life. The UK court ruled that the lack of a review was incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.
Mr Cameron told MPs Mr Davies "speaks for many people when he says how completely offensive it is to have once again a ruling by a court that seems to fly completely in the face of common sense".
He added: "The commission we are establishing to look at a British bill of rights will be established imminently because I think it's about time we started making sure decisions are made in this Parliament rather than in the courts."
Home Secretary Theresa May said Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg and Justice Secretary Ken Clarke would be giving more details shortly.
But she told MPs: "It is time to assert that it is Parliament that makes our laws, not the courts, and that the rights of the public come before the rights of criminals and above all that we have a legal framework that brings sanity to cases such as these."
She was pressed by Conservative MPs Mark Pritchard, Peter Bone and Phillip Hollobone to set a firm timetable for a UK bill of rights.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/m...faces-deadlock
I would rather we as a nation had some degree of control over our own destiny and we where not subservient to the EU who seem to have little or no interest in what is best for this country.
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03 June 2011, 12:05 PM
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Ah, the old 'give the plebs some rights' trick! Make us think we're getting something when all that's happening is that they're trying to kill hundreds of years of common law and make us into another Euro state where you are not 'innocent until proved guilty'. It's all a con - all that needs to happen is to repeal the yooman rites act that Billy Liar so callously foisted upon us and leave the EU. Get some self-determination back and make our own laws, where the government are our servants and not vice versa.
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03 June 2011, 02:10 PM
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It is long past time when we should have stuck two fingers up at the Eu, binned their PC plonking attempt at a human rights programme, and legalised our own bill instead based on proper British values instead of the restrictive rubbish we have had to put up with from the Eu where the wrong people seemed to be the real winners every time!
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03 June 2011, 02:53 PM
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There is nothing wrong with the EU human rights legislation, there is a lot wrong with how it is used.
A bill of rights for the UK will simply be another law the judges will bend to support the criminal and see how far they can push the envelope of common sense.
It's the judges that need sorting out not the law!
A bill of rights for the UK will simply be another law the judges will bend to support the criminal and see how far they can push the envelope of common sense.
It's the judges that need sorting out not the law!
03 June 2011, 04:12 PM
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There is nothing wrong with the EU human rights legislation, there is a lot wrong with how it is used.
A bill of rights for the UK will simply be another law the judges will bend to support the criminal and see how far they can push the envelope of common sense.
It's the judges that need sorting out not the law!
A bill of rights for the UK will simply be another law the judges will bend to support the criminal and see how far they can push the envelope of common sense.
It's the judges that need sorting out not the law!
sort out oone thing at a time, judges also need to be 'sorted out' and those unable to make good decisions in the best interests of the British people as a whole removed.
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03 June 2011, 06:07 PM
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Agreed, it was set up with the best of intentions and is now being abused and used for purposes not in the spirit of the agreement, that said surely a British Bill would champion British interests which has to be a good thing.
sort out oone thing at a time, judges also need to be 'sorted out' and those unable to make good decisions in the best interests of the British people as a whole removed.
sort out oone thing at a time, judges also need to be 'sorted out' and those unable to make good decisions in the best interests of the British people as a whole removed.
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