Just suppose....
14 May 2011, 08:16 PM
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Will level with you, want some ideas, kind of thinking of doing some writing, been meaning to for years and its the best idea I had, drawing on my years at the Police, want some deviant ideas of what kind of havoc you could create if you had access to all Police data.
15 May 2011, 11:03 AM
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John and Joan Stirland.
I'm sure that could give you some ideas. On the other hand, it's the failing of forces to share data that led to the Soham murders. I expect you would have seen the resulting Bichard Enquiry.
15 May 2011, 04:05 PM
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Another example of why Notts is a failing force:
John and Joan Stirland.
I'm sure that could give you some ideas. On the other hand, it's the failing of forces to share data that led to the Soham murders. I expect you would have seen the resulting Bichard Enquiry.
John and Joan Stirland.
I'm sure that could give you some ideas. On the other hand, it's the failing of forces to share data that led to the Soham murders. I expect you would have seen the resulting Bichard Enquiry.
So, if you had access, what could you do with it ?
I know you do and wouldnt SW !
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To be honest, you'd probably be better off seeing if you could get a few days out on a response shifts to get an experience of the front line, before writing action stories, or a bit o time with CID or specialist squads to write mystery stuff.
The most interesting stuff I have witnessed was the covert intel that was gathered.
Sure, you could use info off the databases which tell you what cars are used by crims and submit similar intel reports should you wish to frame someone in the future etc. But it's a big risk that you'd end up inside yourself.
I did start writing when I was living out in Tenerife, but it was from the perspective of someone who ended up surrounded by the criminally corrupt. I should finish it one day...
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Locate a suitable criminal.
Make sure you can match their Modus Operandi.
Put them at the scene.
Make sure they have no alibi. It'd be hopeless if they are already in custody.
Provide witnesses/statements who put them at the scene.
Make sure you don't leave any traces of your own involvement - forensic, data footprints or otherwise.
Just to be able to create intelligence reports, my own data trail would be all over it. There would be a 5x5x5 reference as to where the intelligence came from, who can see it and how likely it is to be true. It would have my ID attached to the report, my logging in to the intelligence database would have been recorded.
The question of collecting the data beforehand would have been recorded too. Every PNC check I have ever carried out would have been logged. In addition, every PNC check I carried out should be recorded in my Pocket Note Book (PNB). It's not uncommon for the data teams to request that a Sgt checks a PC's PNB, at random, to make sure this data was recorded. If it's missing, it's a trip to see someone with pips or worse.
Selecting your crim to frame wouldn't be that easy - and I've barely scratched the surface above. But once you have selected your criminal, you need to make sure they are where you need them i.e. free. You'd want to make sure they are not already in custody already. How do you do that? By logging in to a database, with your username and password. This is, of course, logged. A random search to see who is in, although not linking you to a specific person, still shows you accessed the system.
If you have decided they are not in custody, you would need to know they are not out committing another crime at the same time they are supposedly committing the crime you are framing them for. It's far too complicated for me to even begin trying to figure it out.
As for witnesses and statements, I can't imagine how you would get those in place, as each statement has a signed declaration stating that the witness knows they could get locked up for providing a false statement. You'd think no-one would do that (but that is a different story).
In terms of simply altering a database, I suppose you could make changes, should you have the right permissions, e.g. swap suspect details over, but that would probably only happen on incidents that have already occurred.
If this whole thing was looked at in depth, I'm sure a really interesting novel could be written, but the research behind it would be staggering, and then just getting a believable plot would take so much work. It would be more of a conspiracy than anything as you would need so many people in so many places to get everything to fit together - hardly a way of getting pay back for someone letting their cat crap in your garden.
16 May 2011, 12:47 PM
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Could you imagine the amount of effort you'd have to put in to it?
Locate a suitable criminal.
Make sure you can match their Modus Operandi.
Put them at the scene.
Make sure they have no alibi. It'd be hopeless if they are already in custody.
Provide witnesses/statements who put them at the scene.
Make sure you don't leave any traces of your own involvement - forensic, data footprints or otherwise.
Just to be able to create intelligence reports, my own data trail would be all over it. There would be a 5x5x5 reference as to where the intelligence came from, who can see it and how likely it is to be true. It would have my ID attached to the report, my logging in to the intelligence database would have been recorded.
The question of collecting the data beforehand would have been recorded too. Every PNC check I have ever carried out would have been logged. In addition, every PNC check I carried out should be recorded in my Pocket Note Book (PNB). It's not uncommon for the data teams to request that a Sgt checks a PC's PNB, at random, to make sure this data was recorded. If it's missing, it's a trip to see someone with pips or worse.
Selecting your crim to frame wouldn't be that easy - and I've barely scratched the surface above. But once you have selected your criminal, you need to make sure they are where you need them i.e. free. You'd want to make sure they are not already in custody already. How do you do that? By logging in to a database, with your username and password. This is, of course, logged. A random search to see who is in, although not linking you to a specific person, still shows you accessed the system.
If you have decided they are not in custody, you would need to know they are not out committing another crime at the same time they are supposedly committing the crime you are framing them for. It's far too complicated for me to even begin trying to figure it out.
As for witnesses and statements, I can't imagine how you would get those in place, as each statement has a signed declaration stating that the witness knows they could get locked up for providing a false statement. You'd think no-one would do that (but that is a different story).
In terms of simply altering a database, I suppose you could make changes, should you have the right permissions, e.g. swap suspect details over, but that would probably only happen on incidents that have already occurred.
If this whole thing was looked at in depth, I'm sure a really interesting novel could be written, but the research behind it would be staggering, and then just getting a believable plot would take so much work. It would be more of a conspiracy than anything as you would need so many people in so many places to get everything to fit together - hardly a way of getting pay back for someone letting their cat crap in your garden.
Locate a suitable criminal.
Make sure you can match their Modus Operandi.
Put them at the scene.
Make sure they have no alibi. It'd be hopeless if they are already in custody.
Provide witnesses/statements who put them at the scene.
Make sure you don't leave any traces of your own involvement - forensic, data footprints or otherwise.
Just to be able to create intelligence reports, my own data trail would be all over it. There would be a 5x5x5 reference as to where the intelligence came from, who can see it and how likely it is to be true. It would have my ID attached to the report, my logging in to the intelligence database would have been recorded.
The question of collecting the data beforehand would have been recorded too. Every PNC check I have ever carried out would have been logged. In addition, every PNC check I carried out should be recorded in my Pocket Note Book (PNB). It's not uncommon for the data teams to request that a Sgt checks a PC's PNB, at random, to make sure this data was recorded. If it's missing, it's a trip to see someone with pips or worse.
Selecting your crim to frame wouldn't be that easy - and I've barely scratched the surface above. But once you have selected your criminal, you need to make sure they are where you need them i.e. free. You'd want to make sure they are not already in custody already. How do you do that? By logging in to a database, with your username and password. This is, of course, logged. A random search to see who is in, although not linking you to a specific person, still shows you accessed the system.
If you have decided they are not in custody, you would need to know they are not out committing another crime at the same time they are supposedly committing the crime you are framing them for. It's far too complicated for me to even begin trying to figure it out.
As for witnesses and statements, I can't imagine how you would get those in place, as each statement has a signed declaration stating that the witness knows they could get locked up for providing a false statement. You'd think no-one would do that (but that is a different story).
In terms of simply altering a database, I suppose you could make changes, should you have the right permissions, e.g. swap suspect details over, but that would probably only happen on incidents that have already occurred.
If this whole thing was looked at in depth, I'm sure a really interesting novel could be written, but the research behind it would be staggering, and then just getting a believable plot would take so much work. It would be more of a conspiracy than anything as you would need so many people in so many places to get everything to fit together - hardly a way of getting pay back for someone letting their cat crap in your garden.
SW, you would leave an audit trail, but the database administrator wouldn't (except the PNC unless lurking at Hendon), with enough planning the data could be spirited away without anyone having a clue, set up on another machine and queried/acted on at leisure, daily transactions coule be taken to keep the data set fresh. I saw enough holes to provide me with a whole trilogy. Backup tapes going missing, live data on unaudited test systems, wide open security, unpatched software with vulnerabilites, people dont want too much geeky detail in a book, just enough to suspend disbeleif, they dotn want to know actuall Police Procedure as, as you know its pretty tedious, as is database stuff.
I am thinking this doesnt have to fool Policemen and hardcore techies, just needs to be plausible enough to not look stupid, I was thinking of using intelligence to play gangs off against each other, having a little fun informing on informants or just deciding you dont like something and making a hobby out of being a vigilante.
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