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Old 08 April 2011, 02:13 PM
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Question Europe - why do we bother?

I have been anti-Europe for a while now but the more problems there are over there the more I wonder why we just don't pull out and let then stew in their own juice. Keep Europe as trading partners and pick and choose which European laws we would like to adopt for use in UK.

Thank goodness we got out of the Euro but now it looks like we are in for a 4 billion hit on Portugal and the list will go on. Why should we help? I don't begrudge Ireland a bit of our hard earned now they have more or less stopped killing our soldiers and we were a bit mean to them historically. But the rest, that's their problem.

Anyone agree?

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Originally Posted by David Lock
Why should we help?
I'm sort of with you but I think we were only a nats johnson away from requiring a bailout ourselves.

I think we in for a bit of the bill but not all of it. I think we pay on the basis that it may, even still could be, us that needs a helping hand in the future.

However, I do think the PIGS seem more like basket case economies than the UK. We overspent but we don't have rife corruption like Greece and we don't have half finished housing estates like Ireland.

Not completely clued up on Portugal and Spain but I think they just aren't that savy with running any economy whether its a good one on the up or failing like my chat up lines.
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Originally Posted by David Lock
I have been anti-Europe for a while now but the more problems there are over there the more I wonder why we just don't pull out and let then stew in their own juice. Keep Europe as trading partners and pick and choose which European laws we would like to adopt for use in UK.

Thank goodness we got out of the Euro but now it looks like we are in for a 4 billion hit on Portugal and the list will go on. Why should we help? I don't begrudge Ireland a bit of our hard earned now they have more or less stopped killing our soldiers and we were a bit mean to them historically. But the rest, that's their problem.

Anyone agree?

dl
Let's put up the shutters, protect the beaches, don't let Johnny Foreigner taint these shores...
Old 08 April 2011, 06:33 PM
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17million a day membership to a bloody expencive club total waste of money we havent even got the eu , get out quick before spain goes as well i say
Old 08 April 2011, 07:37 PM
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So mit's a good job we don't have the Euro, is it?

Can I ask why, when Darling has signed us up so that we have NONE of the protection, (if OUR economy goes **** up, the EC won't step in to help US), but we have to put as much in as the others to protect those whose economies have gone.

HOW, EXACTLY is that good for the UK?
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Alistair Darling had no choice but to sign up to the Eurozone bailout fund under the Lisbon Treaty "difficulties caused by natural disasters or exceptional occurrences beyond its control" clause. It's disgraceful how the UK public was denied their right to a referendum on this Treaty.
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Originally Posted by madscoob
17million a day membership to a bloody expencive club total waste of money we havent even got the eu , get out quick before spain goes as well i say
i forgot a fullstop between got and the
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Originally Posted by jonc
Alistair Darling had no choice but to sign up to the Eurozone bailout fund under the Lisbon Treaty "difficulties caused by natural disasters or exceptional occurrences beyond its control" clause. It's disgraceful how the UK public was denied their right to a referendum on this Treaty.
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I gather that the latest scheme is that the Commissioners now want to be able to levy an Eu tax on us all to pay for all their expenses etc.!

Time we left.

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Originally Posted by Trout
Let's put up the shutters, protect the beaches, don't let Johnny Foreigner taint these shores...
Well Trout you must be a wealthy man if you are happy to help pay for Mr Johnny Greek Foreigner to settle his tax bill for example which he has fiddled for years! And I'd like to try and protect our beaches for just being a dumping ground for Colombian heroin. Oh and Mr Foreigner is welcome as long as he/she can contribute to this country - enriching our diverse culture as they (not me) say

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