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Old 07 February 2011, 01:16 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12378755

Another labour failure to be reversed hopefully

I like the idea of kicking these people out their homes and taking away their ill gotten gains
Old 07 February 2011, 01:20 PM
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The problem is even if these scum bags are evicted the council have a duty to house them again.
Old 07 February 2011, 01:23 PM
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ASBO's were always going to be a waste of time.

Children need disciplined full stop.
When I was at high school in the early 80's you wouldn't have said boo to a teacher, because you'd know full well what would happen.

Criminal behaviour orders - another waste of time and effort.
These will be superceded in the future - just like asbo's

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Old 07 February 2011, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12378755

Another labour failure to be reversed hopefully

I like the idea of kicking these people out their homes and taking away their ill gotten gains

haha, Cons are just rebranding it. so much for a lab failure lol
Old 07 February 2011, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
haha, Cons are just rebranding it. so much for a lab failure lol
That was my take too.

They've just renamed it and made the punishment more complicated.
Old 07 February 2011, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
haha, Cons are just rebranding it. so much for a lab failure lol
Exactly.

Nowt will change, because there is no enforcement and no REAL punishment.

My father, and old school deputy head, said to me in 1985, "the kids have got the bit between their teeth and are running with it. Nothing's going to stop them now."
How right he was.
Old 07 February 2011, 03:11 PM
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Yes,taking away their iPods won't encourage them to go and mug some other kid & nick theirs.

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Old 07 February 2011, 07:19 PM
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Agree with the above. They go on about making it simpler.........

Criminal Behaviour Order can be attached to a criminal conviction...? Crime Prevention Injunction as well as an order. 5 people have to complain from a set area, so if only 4 complain or one is just outside the area nowt happens. If the same person complains 3 times, what if on the 3rd occasion someone else phones on their behalf – does this count – what a load of bollox.......

The ASBOS were a lot simpler – one phone call initiates it as a crime, then the police lock them up. The reason they fell down was that the punishments were a joke.
The good thing with ASBO’s was that if we don’t catch hold of them straight away, we attend their parents address and search the house – at 0100hrs, 0200hrs, 0300hrs, 0400 hrs............ and the next day and the next day..............and their mates addresses......

The government have taken away a useful tool and replaced it with a receptacle of manure. They should have kept them and increased the sentences attached.
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Why do we need ASBOs anyway? Can't the police just lock the b"ggers up for whatever they're doing? Weren't ASBOs just an "alternative" punishment? Meaning that what they punished was a criminal offence anyway, thus the police get involved, thus the scoats should be off the street ...? Or have I missed something?

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Anti social behaviour order was granted if local authority / police / landlord made a complaint to Magistrates Court and the Magistrates were satisfied, on the balance of probabilities, that an order was necessary to prevent to respondent acting in a manner likely to cause alarm harassment or distress. They could also be granted on conviction and could order individuals not to associate in a public place or to enter a certain area. As previously mentioned, they were a useful tool for the police to deal with individuals who were not committing an offence eg. attending an area where they have previously caused damage or threatened violence on several occasions to a resident. Although the maximum penalty is 5 years imprisonment, the penalties awarded were generally little or no deterrent. Not long ago, I remember an 18yr old walking free from his 16th court appearance for breaching his ASBO .

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Old 07 February 2011, 09:19 PM
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There is basically nothing different to what we had with ASBO’s, protection orders and direction powers were all in place already.

It now seems totally bureaucratic, with police having to apply for court orders to deal with offenders as opposed to being able to arrest them straight away for a breach. Also, only being able to react if the right number of people have phoned in at the right time.
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