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Old 28 January 2011, 01:52 PM
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A new leadership by the end of the weekend or will Mubarak hang on? If he doesn't, who will replace him? Big, big stakes at play.
Old 28 January 2011, 02:15 PM
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the other bloke ?
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Wasn't he grooming his son to take over? So that's gone by the board then. Can't see him lasting for more than a week or two.

Then Yemen and Jordan? It must be getting the heavyweights like Saudi worried. I wonder if the Iranian people actually get to hear about all this or is the Internet dead over there?

Just hope bloodsheds are avoided. dl
Old 28 January 2011, 02:38 PM
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mmmm mother in law on a Nile Cruise as we speak

flew out on Sunday!!!!
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Originally Posted by David Lock
Wasn't he grooming his son to take over? So that's gone by the board then. Can't see him lasting for more than a week or two.

Then Yemen and Jordan? It must be getting the heavyweights like Saudi worried. I wonder if the Iranian people actually get to hear about all this or is the Internet dead over there?

Just hope bloodsheds are avoided. dl
The internet and mobile phone networks have been closed down. Mohamed ElBaradei (who the west seem to backing as a successor) has been placed under house arrest and the main opposition, The Muslim Brotherhood, are remaining silent in terms of succession.

Good coverage on BBC news. One commentator emphasised that this wasn't about religion and said that the Coptic Christians have stood outside Mosques to defend protestors during Friday prayers. If this becomes a democratic revolution, it will change the whole political landscape of the region. The alternative has very limited appeal.

It's on a knife-edge.
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
mmmm mother in law on a Nile Cruise as we speak

flew out on Sunday!!!!
Have you heard from her?
Old 28 January 2011, 03:18 PM
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txt yesterday JT thanks (which was all fine), but think comms down today

The cruise is on the Upper Nile -- away from Cairo, so hopefully wil be OK

Although meant to be flying back from Cairo next week
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what with the sharks in the Red sea, the Egyptian Tourist minister is certainly earning his wage!!
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A curfew's been imposed now and the military are out on the streets. Will be interesting to see if the protestors refuse. It's now a battle of wills and strength between the people and the state. If the people win, it absolutely has to be a democratic revolution.
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reported 20,000 actually protesting, population 80 million, not a large protest.
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i suspect the state apparatus is too strong and they have quite a large Army
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Originally Posted by greenonedave
reported 20,000 actually protesting, population 80 million, not a large protest.
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
i suspect the state apparatus is too strong and they have quite a large Army
The tanks are out and the ruling party's HQ is on fire. The people have to keep the momentum up now. I'm just so nervous about the power vacuum if the people get their will. Twitter's awash with calls for the fall of dictatorships across the Arab world; it reminds me of Eastern Europe in the 80s. Gunshots now.

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Originally Posted by JTaylor
The tanks are out and the ruling party's HQ is on fire. The people have to keep the momentum up now. I'm just so nervous about the power vacuum if the people get their will. Twitter's awash with calls for the fall of dictatorships across the Arab world; it reminds me of Eastern Europe in the 80s. Gunshots now.
mmm doesn't sound good

Believe it or not I am just about to put my wife and two older girls on a plane to Berlin – for a weekend break – one revolution is enough
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Egypt is on country where Christians, Copts, & Muslims have lived side by side for years, with no real problems.

They all are very tolerant, and as long as you respect there cultures, you will be fine.

The trouble comes from a radical islamist group who wanted to destablise the area, and the nonviolence pact

As far as the tourists go, they are not being blamed or used as political ammo, the locals rely heavily on tourism, and are acutely aware of the ramifications should the tourist trade stop

We had no problems when we were out there, in fact, they went out of there way to look after us


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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
mmm doesn't sound good
Although if it's a popular democratic revolution, it could be fantastic for the region.

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Believe it or not I am just about to put my wife and two older girls on a plane to Berlin – for a weekend break – one revolution is enough
Have a good one.

Clinton's giving her response. Backing the right to freedom of expression and assembly. Calling for reform.

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Originally Posted by mart360
Egypt is on country where Christians, Copts, & Muslims have lived side by side for years, with no real problems.

They all are very tolerant, and as long as you respect there cultures, you will be fine.

The trouble comes from a radical islamist group who wanted to destablise the area, and the nonviolence pact

As far as the tourists go, they are not being blamed or used as political ammo, the locals rely heavily on tourism, and are acutely aware of the ramifications should the tourist trade stop

We had no problems when we were out there, in fact, they went out of there way to look after us


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are you sure about this , i thought the bombing of sharm was blamed on simply disaffected commonal egyptions fed up with a **** existance ?
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Had to laugh at this. A pal from work had booked a week away in Tunisia for him and his Mrs. Cancelled it due to the issues there and booked a week in Egypt - Then this happens! LOL

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Mates due there in a month , wonder if he'll have to pick somewhere else to stretch his pocket money

Guess its good news for spain lol
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
A curfew's been imposed now and the military are out on the streets. Will be interesting to see if the protestors refuse. It's now a battle of wills and strength between the people and the state. If the people win, it absolutely has to be a democratic revolution.
Elections don't mean a democracy.

You'll just get another strong-man or corrupt plutocrat in charge.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Elections don't mean a democracy.

You'll just get another strong-man or corrupt plutocrat in charge.
Where are the statistics that back up that statement
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Elections don't mean a democracy.

You'll just get another strong-man or corrupt plutocrat in charge.
I hear what you're saying. One hopes, though, that the power vacuum will be filled with a real democractic administration and that this is maintained. And yes, I do know this went ****-up in Palestine.
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Originally Posted by jods
Had to laugh at this. A pal from work had booked a week away in Tunisia for him and his Mrs. Cancelled it due to the issues there and booked a week in Egypt - Then this happens! LOL
Ask him to book a city break to Tehran for me.
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Absolutely. Look at the UK last year ....



Well, I would assume that the $1.3BN of direct US military aid (per year) will help out with that! Oh, and the $800M in direct economic aid. Should be able to buy a few guns with it ..... oh, wait a minute ...

Dave
The West needs Egypt. We've always had to choose between friendly secular dictatorship or Islamism. There's a popular (hopefully democratic) uprising. Get. The ****. Behind it!
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Shouldn't we just invade it, would give us some target practice for the upcoming destruc... sorry invasion of Iran!!!

Love how the Americans feel a need to make a statement in their capacity as World Police!
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Shouldn't we just invade it, would give us some target practice for the upcoming destruc... sorry invasion of Iran!!!

Love how the Americans feel a need to make a statement in their capacity as World Police!


I thought you'd be celebrating a popular uprising against a dictatorship, but no, you spit your venom and your bile and your vitriol at the Americans. You don't care about the people, you just hate America.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I hear what you're saying. One hopes, though, that the power vacuum will be filled with a real democractic administration and that this is maintained. And yes, I do know this went ****-up in Palestine.
You need a large middle class/civil society and a relatively prosperous working class for functional democracy, that plus the right institutions and constitution.

Doesn't tend to work when you have seething masses in poverty; too much desperation.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
You need a large middle class/civil society and a relatively prosperous working class for functional democracy, that plus the right institutions and constitution.

Doesn't tend to work when you have seething masses in poverty; too much desperation.



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