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07 November 2010, 02:04 PM
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And about bloody time too!
Long-term benefit claimants could be forced to do manual labour under proposals to be outlined by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith.
He is due to outline plans for four-week placements doing jobs like gardening and litter clearing.
He said the message would be: "Play ball or it's going to be difficult."
Under the plan, claimants thought to need "experience of the habits and routines of working life" could be put on 30-hour-a-week placements.
Anyone refusing to take part or failing to turn up on time to work could have their £65 Jobseekers' Allowance stopped for at least three months.
The Work Activity scheme is said to be designed to flush out claimants who have opted for a life on benefits or are doing undeclared jobs on the side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11704765
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He is due to outline plans for four-week placements doing jobs like gardening and litter clearing.
He said the message would be: "Play ball or it's going to be difficult."
Under the plan, claimants thought to need "experience of the habits and routines of working life" could be put on 30-hour-a-week placements.
Anyone refusing to take part or failing to turn up on time to work could have their £65 Jobseekers' Allowance stopped for at least three months.
The Work Activity scheme is said to be designed to flush out claimants who have opted for a life on benefits or are doing undeclared jobs on the side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11704765
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07 November 2010, 02:37 PM
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Under the plan, claimants thought to need "experience of the habits and routines of working life" could be put on 30-hour-a-week placements
Certainly my local highstreet is filthy; Plenty of gum could do with being scraped off the pavement; and the gutters and gullys need all the winter leaves clearing out of them before we get mass flooding again (because they are blocked).
07 November 2010, 03:43 PM
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Long-term benefit claimants could be forced to do manual labour under proposals to be outlined by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith.
He is due to outline plans for four-week placements doing jobs like gardening and litter clearing.
He said the message would be: "Play ball or it's going to be difficult."
Under the plan, claimants thought to need "experience of the habits and routines of working life" could be put on 30-hour-a-week placements.
Anyone refusing to take part or failing to turn up on time to work could have their £65 Jobseekers' Allowance stopped for at least three months.
The Work Activity scheme is said to be designed to flush out claimants who have opted for a life on benefits or are doing undeclared jobs on the side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11704765
Chip
He is due to outline plans for four-week placements doing jobs like gardening and litter clearing.
He said the message would be: "Play ball or it's going to be difficult."
Under the plan, claimants thought to need "experience of the habits and routines of working life" could be put on 30-hour-a-week placements.
Anyone refusing to take part or failing to turn up on time to work could have their £65 Jobseekers' Allowance stopped for at least three months.
The Work Activity scheme is said to be designed to flush out claimants who have opted for a life on benefits or are doing undeclared jobs on the side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11704765
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Isn't community services something that prisoners do? Are we now saying people looking for work are to treated the same as criminals?
And Jobseekers Allowance only last for 6 months doesn't it, so how does this measure impact upon that benefit?
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07 November 2010, 04:07 PM
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Won't happen.
Lefty Hoomun Rites mob will see to that.
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"Iain Duncan-Smith seems to have forgotten there is minimum wage legislation in this country and if the government is going to force the unemployed to work this is the minimum hourly rate the can pay otherwise they open themselves up to legal action."
lol
Lefty Hoomun Rites mob will see to that.
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"Iain Duncan-Smith seems to have forgotten there is minimum wage legislation in this country and if the government is going to force the unemployed to work this is the minimum hourly rate the can pay otherwise they open themselves up to legal action."
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Long-term benefit claimants could be forced to do manual labour under proposals to be outlined by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith.
He is due to outline plans for four-week placements doing jobs like gardening and litter clearing.
He said the message would be: "Play ball or it's going to be difficult."
Under the plan, claimants thought to need "experience of the habits and routines of working life" could be put on 30-hour-a-week placements.
Anyone refusing to take part or failing to turn up on time to work could have their £65 Jobseekers' Allowance stopped for at least three months.
The Work Activity scheme is said to be designed to flush out claimants who have opted for a life on benefits or are doing undeclared jobs on the side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11704765
Chip
He is due to outline plans for four-week placements doing jobs like gardening and litter clearing.
He said the message would be: "Play ball or it's going to be difficult."
Under the plan, claimants thought to need "experience of the habits and routines of working life" could be put on 30-hour-a-week placements.
Anyone refusing to take part or failing to turn up on time to work could have their £65 Jobseekers' Allowance stopped for at least three months.
The Work Activity scheme is said to be designed to flush out claimants who have opted for a life on benefits or are doing undeclared jobs on the side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11704765
Chip
Next chavs and chavettes will be declared a race and get full protection and immunity.
How will this e adminsterd and what cost for the translators and other associated costs alone for those that suddenly "do not speekie de eengleesh" and managers and supervisors to manage it. Then there is training and the H&S implications along with minimum wage pay. Then the icing on the cake - claims for work related injuries backs carpel tunnel, etc.
Another well though through and example of joined-up-thinking by the Dim-Con pact to rival the child benefit upper limit fiasco!
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07 November 2010, 05:49 PM
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Long term unemployed forced to work
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...z-workshy.html
About time! This will really pis$ off Labour voters no doubt, but it's great that long term dole-scroungers will be forced to get a job, or do community work like clearing rubbish.
Still think we need to drop these stupid Human Rights laws tho, as otherwise no doubt some scroungers will be using legal aid to sue claiming they can't do the work or whatever.
About time! This will really pis$ off Labour voters no doubt, but it's great that long term dole-scroungers will be forced to get a job, or do community work like clearing rubbish.
Still think we need to drop these stupid Human Rights laws tho, as otherwise no doubt some scroungers will be using legal aid to sue claiming they can't do the work or whatever.
07 November 2010, 06:08 PM
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It will never happen ECHR will have their say and put a stop to this as unfair and discriminatory.
Next chavs and chavettes will be declared a race and get full protection and immunity.
How will this e adminsterd and what cost for the translators and other associated costs alone for those that suddenly "do not speekie de eengleesh" and managers and supervisors to manage it. Then there is training and the H&S implications along with minimum wage pay. Then the icing on the cake - claims for work related injuries backs carpel tunnel, etc.
Another well though through and example of joined-up-thinking by the Dim-Con pact to rival the child benefit upper limit fiasco!
Next chavs and chavettes will be declared a race and get full protection and immunity.
How will this e adminsterd and what cost for the translators and other associated costs alone for those that suddenly "do not speekie de eengleesh" and managers and supervisors to manage it. Then there is training and the H&S implications along with minimum wage pay. Then the icing on the cake - claims for work related injuries backs carpel tunnel, etc.
Another well though through and example of joined-up-thinking by the Dim-Con pact to rival the child benefit upper limit fiasco!
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07 November 2010, 06:09 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...z-workshy.html
About time! This will really pis$ off Labour voters no doubt, but it's great that long term dole-scroungers will be forced to get a job, or do community work like clearing rubbish.
Still think we need to drop these stupid Human Rights laws tho, as otherwise no doubt some scroungers will be using legal aid to sue claiming they can't do the work or whatever.
About time! This will really pis$ off Labour voters no doubt, but it's great that long term dole-scroungers will be forced to get a job, or do community work like clearing rubbish.
Still think we need to drop these stupid Human Rights laws tho, as otherwise no doubt some scroungers will be using legal aid to sue claiming they can't do the work or whatever.
07 November 2010, 06:35 PM
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It is an admirable ambition but making it work could be challenging, doing it without creating a huge costly infrastructure to support it and even bigger challenge.
I have always wondered why there is litter on the streets, jobs not getting done when we are paying people to sit at home, I really hope it can be made to work and potentially if someone spends a month picking up litter it may engender some price and social responsibility so they don't drop litter in the future.
I suspect it will just end up costing a fortune and end up with gangs of ******* (not that I regard all unemployed people as *******) armed with brooms arsing about, they need to be really hard line, if you dont turn up, then you get nothing, I suspect that more effort will be put into railroading it and causing agro, righteous indignation at having to get up and do something beneath them rather than any serious work getting done, I sincerely hope that isnt the case.
I would be happy to do it if I were unemployed, as long as I got paid and had time to apply for jobs, but I dont want to sit at home smoking weed and going a the Xbox like some of the long term jobless see to do, I suppose it may cut into their opportunities for cash in hand work, robbing, breeding and sitting outside manky pubs shirtless at 11 am having a social sponsored pint.
I am turning into a bit of a Tory boy these days but I think, even if it turns to rat****, they are at least making the right noises and being realistic.
I have always wondered why there is litter on the streets, jobs not getting done when we are paying people to sit at home, I really hope it can be made to work and potentially if someone spends a month picking up litter it may engender some price and social responsibility so they don't drop litter in the future.
I suspect it will just end up costing a fortune and end up with gangs of ******* (not that I regard all unemployed people as *******) armed with brooms arsing about, they need to be really hard line, if you dont turn up, then you get nothing, I suspect that more effort will be put into railroading it and causing agro, righteous indignation at having to get up and do something beneath them rather than any serious work getting done, I sincerely hope that isnt the case.
I would be happy to do it if I were unemployed, as long as I got paid and had time to apply for jobs, but I dont want to sit at home smoking weed and going a the Xbox like some of the long term jobless see to do, I suppose it may cut into their opportunities for cash in hand work, robbing, breeding and sitting outside manky pubs shirtless at 11 am having a social sponsored pint.
I am turning into a bit of a Tory boy these days but I think, even if it turns to rat****, they are at least making the right noises and being realistic.
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Picking up litter , bashing rocks *should* be what Crims are doing
I did community service in 1985 and learnt how to paint/decorate , although those in charge had no obligation to learn us anything, the guy in charge was qualified and wanted to pass it on ,
I believe we got about 20 quid more than dole
I did community service in 1985 and learnt how to paint/decorate , although those in charge had no obligation to learn us anything, the guy in charge was qualified and wanted to pass it on ,
I believe we got about 20 quid more than dole
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All wrong. There is this stupid Daily Mail type concept that all folk out of work are scroungers. Well that's bollox. Many are proud people who have lost jobs as factories close for example and simply cannot find anything, I mean anything. Not all of course.
Picking up litter and the mess that society creates is work for prisoners.
Forcing others to do this is an insult to them and I don't support it. dl
Picking up litter and the mess that society creates is work for prisoners.
Forcing others to do this is an insult to them and I don't support it. dl
07 November 2010, 08:10 PM
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Obviously any economy NEEDS a certain amount of unemployed people to be available to fill requirements when they arise, but there are large numbers out there who have no desire to work - or who are better off just sitting around on the dole than working.
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All wrong. There is this stupid Daily Mail type concept that all folk out of work are scroungers. Well that's bollox. Many are proud people who have lost jobs as factories close for example and simply cannot find anything, I mean anything. Not all of course.
Picking up litter and the mess that society creates is work for prisoners.
Forcing others to do this is an insult to them and I don't support it. dl
Picking up litter and the mess that society creates is work for prisoners.
Forcing others to do this is an insult to them and I don't support it. dl
07 November 2010, 08:37 PM
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When you factor in their housing benefits etc then surely it will be approaching nmw. Although with the con dems about to chuck 500000 on the dole this idea should only be implemented for people who have been unemployed 2 years+.
I took my son to the park yesterday and it was full of rubbish despite there being bins everywhere. If these long term dole merchants had to pick the rubbish up maybe they would educate their kids to put it in the bins in the first place.