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Old 11 October 2010, 06:31 PM
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Some Chinese artist has had 1600 Chinese 'slaves' make and hand paint hundreds of thousands of porcelain sunflower seeds that he has now had poured all over the floor of the Tate modern as an 'installation' for people to walk over.

What a load of tosh, that is not art and never will be. Add to that the fact he appears to have had nothing to do with the piece except conceive it and given the idea is just stupid he appears to have zero talent.

No wonder art gets scoffed at by so many.
Old 11 October 2010, 06:40 PM
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You could go to Tate Modern have a crap in the foyer and they would call it art.....
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You're talking about it. If it were so irrelevant (not art) you would not be.
Old 11 October 2010, 06:46 PM
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Define art.



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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
Define art.



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This...........for a start..............

Old 11 October 2010, 08:18 PM
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The Ulster Museum has went all "art" since it reopened, tis fucking ****e, i don't understand nor want to understand "art". I went to see dead stuffed animals, dinosaur bones and Egytian mummies.
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this is a typical example of whats wrong with the tate modern

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-artwork.html

The installation cost about £300,000 and took more than six months to complete
£300k for 6 months worth? Local road workers could dig that for £500 cash in one afternoon - how the heck did they justify the cost of £300,000?

Three women have been hurt by falling into Tate Modern's latest installation - a crack in the floor.
Hole in the ground that people get hurt falling into to, yes, that must be art
Old 11 October 2010, 08:39 PM
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No wonder they all walk around scratching their heads and pondering..
Modern s***e, the toffs seem to love it.
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
Define art.



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It should challenge.
Old 12 October 2010, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
It should challenge.


Then the work which started this thread would appear to be art, because it certainly seems to challenge the posters here. It's also not a particularly useful definition: a Rubik's cube is challenging, but it's probably not art. Although it might be.

As for the Sistine Chapel, it's an example, not a definition.


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Old 12 October 2010, 08:24 AM
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Wait for it......


The crack is said to represent the division problem of integrating immigrants into European society.
Well **** me - we've gone full circle
Old 12 October 2010, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
: a Rubik's cube is challenging, but it's probably not art.
Don't be obtuse.
Old 12 October 2010, 08:42 AM
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They are just taking the **** these days and taking advantage of the "learned" prats who are silly enough to be taken in by it!

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Originally Posted by Leslie
They are just taking the **** these days and taking advantage of the "learned" prats who are silly enough to be taken in by it!

Les
Emperor's new clothes syndrome i think!
Old 12 October 2010, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Absolutely. I reckon they should stop all arts council funding and then we'd see how many of these *art* works saw the light of day. I mean, why should the tax payer fund b*llux like this? If no-one wants to buy it commercially then why do it?

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I agree to some extent but what is the alternative? We all dress in Mao suits and live in identical grey tower blocks...a philistine utopia?
Old 12 October 2010, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
What has Arts Council funding got to do with commercial fashion or architecture? Are you saying that it has paid for council owned tower blocks to be majestic towers of blazing colour that people for miles around travel to admire? Like this ... http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...0_1124956a.jpg ...? Absolutely stunning isn't it?

If that's your excuse for keeping it it's a very very poor excuse. Out here in the real world no-one give a monkeys about the stuff that the arts council funds, which is the only real test, IMHO of course ....

Dave
It appears that TDW swings from one extreme to another and has the cheek to call others obtuse.

Prior to the Arts Quango - artists had philanthropic sponsors who liked their work or indeed the artist themselves which seems fair enough.

It does seem that you can take a sh*t on a floor in the Arts Quango will applaud you and offer you money - take a sh*t outside the Tate on the pavement and you will get arrested - go figure!

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Old 12 October 2010, 10:10 AM
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Doesn't the lottery (tax for idiots) funding pay for some of this?
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I agree to some extent but what is the alternative? We all dress in Mao suits and live in identical grey tower blocks...a philistine utopia?
Are you saying that the way you dress is influenced by piles of bricks and dirty unmade beds then?

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Old 12 October 2010, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Are you saying that the way you dress is influenced by piles of bricks and dirty unmade beds then?

Les
No I'm talking about dull conformity, utilitarianism etc; the logic of the philistine, that or at least commodity art.
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
Define art.



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I can't define it, but I can say that when I see a piece of work that I know I could do then how is it art? For instance if I chose to have some people make 100,000 porcelain sunflower seeds and handpaint them to the standard of the work mentioned in my opening post I could and I could scatter them on the floor. Thing is if I did that no one would take a blind bit of notice until some arts council deems it to be art.

However I could never in a million years paint as well as Michaelangelo and his paintings don't need an arts council to tell us they are art. That is because the latter is talent and the former is not.
Old 12 October 2010, 11:29 AM
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I think it looks great and quite fancy walking over it, and scooping up some stones. I'd also want to steel one!

Some great art pieces are tosh, this is one I want to see.

1600 people involved in making it, everyone is talking about it.
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Originally Posted by davyboy
I'd also want to steel one!
Sorry, but they are all porcelain
Old 12 October 2010, 11:49 AM
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Could Steve Hawkins explain art? And if not does that mean that God created art?
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
Then the work which started this thread would appear to be art, because it certainly seems to challenge the posters here. It's also not a particularly useful definition: a Rubik's cube is challenging, but it's probably not art. Although it might be.

As for the Sistine Chapel, it's an example, not a definition.


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The paintings of the Sistine Chapel 'define' art for me
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
No I'm talking about dull conformity, utilitarianism etc; the logic of the philistine, that or at least commodity art.
Originally Posted by hutton_d
Oh I see. You mean you're talking b*llux ....? Why didn't you just say so?

Dave
Easy ladies.......

Old 12 October 2010, 12:14 PM
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wonder if a pic of my **** crack would be considered art?


tbh all this 'contempory art' is complete pish, any fool can turn a light on and off. As far as the concrete crack, not that easy to do tbh, but it aint art thats for sure.

is any of it public funded or is it all private funding? i knwo the turner prize is private funded
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Originally Posted by Camoscooby
Easy ladies.......

Now that's art...or is it


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