Dutch MP Wilders goes on trial
04 October 2010, 07:09 PM
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Dutch MP Wilders goes on trial
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11464025
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11464025
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04 October 2010, 07:18 PM
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You beat my post by 1 minute!
I wish we had someone like hm in the UK. I might not agree with him 100% but we need a coherent standpoint against Islamism. At the moment the liberal establishment offers just appeasement.
I wish we had someone like hm in the UK. I might not agree with him 100% but we need a coherent standpoint against Islamism. At the moment the liberal establishment offers just appeasement.
04 October 2010, 07:20 PM
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Looks like another extremist would be interested to hear more from any Dutch on here what is Holland in 2010 really like???
04 October 2010, 07:27 PM
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Heard of him do not know much about him other than what i have just read. I am sure there is a lot more to come out and i wonder how many pinches of salt needed.
Looks like another extremist would be interested to hear more from any Dutch on here what is Holland in 2010 really like???
Looks like another extremist would be interested to hear more from any Dutch on here what is Holland in 2010 really like???
He's just a critic of a religious-political ideology.
04 October 2010, 07:51 PM
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Dont see many muslim clerics in court for the same thing,they are the ones who insite the hatered that most people dislike in OUR Country,I have several muslim friends who tell me they dislike the teachings of the old bigots in their faith!
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04 October 2010, 08:11 PM
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Geert Wilders video 'fitna' is compulsory viewing, youtube it, and after that search british religious comic Pat Condell who is equally as brave as Geert but f8cking funny too (check out the feedback he gets on his website).
http://www.patcondell.net/
http://www.patcondell.net/
04 October 2010, 08:26 PM
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Extremists also incite and encourage others to commit acts like this it is not just the Donkeys that commit the acts would you call choudry an extremist or Abu Hanza(sp?) i would, yet they are not climbing into the cockpit right now!
Get a grip and use your brain a little not just your keyboard!
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04 October 2010, 08:33 PM
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er no wrong yet again!
Extremists also incite and encourage others to commit acts like this it is not just the Donkeys that commit the acts would you call choudry an extremist or Abu Hanza(sp?) i would, yet they are not climbing into the cockpit right now!
Get a grip and use your brain a little not just your keyboard!
Extremists also incite and encourage others to commit acts like this it is not just the Donkeys that commit the acts would you call choudry an extremist or Abu Hanza(sp?) i would, yet they are not climbing into the cockpit right now!
Get a grip and use your brain a little not just your keyboard!
That is ALL he has done.
He's not told anyone to do anything.
He's not being charged with inciting violence anyway just inciting 'hatred' which is little more than a thought-crime.
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04 October 2010, 08:55 PM
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Take a look at how dense the Muslim population is in and around our major cities. Do you really believe we could deal with the fallout from your "coherent standpoint against Islam". The frontline is Afghanistan and not Hounslow, Slough, Bradford or East Cardiff for a reason. Beware of the sleepers.
04 October 2010, 08:56 PM
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Good luck to Wilders.
Anyone who has the guts to stand up for what they believe in in the face of political correctness gets respect from me. He is the voice of the silent majority.
I dont have a particular interest in his views, but from what I've seen he speaks a lot of common sense. Anyone who thinks the islamisation of Europe isnt happening or wont matter is simply very naieve or just needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
The problem with Western countries being tolorant and democratric, is that they are allowing intolorant and backwards groups to take root. This is happening at the expense of the tax payer in many ways.
Fortunately more and more people seem to realise the dangers here, and I hope things start to change.
Anyone who has the guts to stand up for what they believe in in the face of political correctness gets respect from me. He is the voice of the silent majority.
I dont have a particular interest in his views, but from what I've seen he speaks a lot of common sense. Anyone who thinks the islamisation of Europe isnt happening or wont matter is simply very naieve or just needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
The problem with Western countries being tolorant and democratric, is that they are allowing intolorant and backwards groups to take root. This is happening at the expense of the tax payer in many ways.
Fortunately more and more people seem to realise the dangers here, and I hope things start to change.
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04 October 2010, 09:01 PM
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Take a look at how dense the Muslim population is in and around our major cities. Do you really believe we could deal with the fallout from your "coherent standpoint against Islam". The frontline is Afghanistan and not Hounslow, Slough, Bradford or East Cardiff for a reason. Beware of the sleepers.
Then the Terrorists have won.
04 October 2010, 09:06 PM
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There is a sensible course of action in motion; the Islam v. The West issue is very real and needs to be dealt with sensitively. Patriotism can sometimes be best displayed with subtlety.
04 October 2010, 09:20 PM
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You dont see the clerics full of hate and extreme views wearing a bomb vest,they load their hate into people who dont question the teachings,they are the cowards,they blight the true Muslim teachings that insignificant grey haired old ***** who dont have a life.All they do is destroy the future of many good people by not allowing them to THINK !!!!for themselves
05 October 2010, 12:02 PM
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He looks like he hss a good Aryan background to me.
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05 October 2010, 12:15 PM
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Geert Wilders video 'fitna' is compulsory viewing, youtube it, and after that search british religious comic Pat Condell who is equally as brave as Geert but f8cking funny too (check out the feedback he gets on his website).
http://www.patcondell.net/
http://www.patcondell.net/
05 October 2010, 12:22 PM
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What's wrong with a good Aryan background anyway?
This trial just demonstrates the double standards existing in supposedly free societies when it comes to dealing with freedom of expression where it relates to racial issues. Because, unlike Christianity where the link never seems to be made here, where Islam is concerned everything becomes a race issue. Speak out against Christianity and race is never an issue, do the same with Islam and race is always the issue.
Putting him in the slammer is a bad joke.
Sticks and stones can break my bones but words cannot hurt me.
Remember that in the playground.
He's one guy voicing an opinion that some people find offensive, others find uncomfortable, a few agree with, and the rest don't care.
Freedom of speech. Depends what you want to say.
This trial just demonstrates the double standards existing in supposedly free societies when it comes to dealing with freedom of expression where it relates to racial issues. Because, unlike Christianity where the link never seems to be made here, where Islam is concerned everything becomes a race issue. Speak out against Christianity and race is never an issue, do the same with Islam and race is always the issue.
Putting him in the slammer is a bad joke.
Sticks and stones can break my bones but words cannot hurt me.
Remember that in the playground.
He's one guy voicing an opinion that some people find offensive, others find uncomfortable, a few agree with, and the rest don't care.
Freedom of speech. Depends what you want to say.
05 October 2010, 01:06 PM
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What's wrong with a good Aryan background anyway?
This trial just demonstrates the double standards existing in supposedly free societies when it comes to dealing with freedom of expression where it relates to racial issues. Because, unlike Christianity where the link never seems to be made here, where Islam is concerned everything becomes a race issue. Speak out against Christianity and race is never an issue, do the same with Islam and race is always the issue.
Putting him in the slammer is a bad joke.
Sticks and stones can break my bones but words cannot hurt me.
Remember that in the playground.
He's one guy voicing an opinion that some people find offensive, others find uncomfortable, a few agree with, and the rest don't care.
Freedom of speech. Depends what you want to say.
This trial just demonstrates the double standards existing in supposedly free societies when it comes to dealing with freedom of expression where it relates to racial issues. Because, unlike Christianity where the link never seems to be made here, where Islam is concerned everything becomes a race issue. Speak out against Christianity and race is never an issue, do the same with Islam and race is always the issue.
Putting him in the slammer is a bad joke.
Sticks and stones can break my bones but words cannot hurt me.
Remember that in the playground.
He's one guy voicing an opinion that some people find offensive, others find uncomfortable, a few agree with, and the rest don't care.
Freedom of speech. Depends what you want to say.
Les
05 October 2010, 01:58 PM
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Good luck to Wilders.
Anyone who has the guts to stand up for what they believe in in the face of political correctness gets respect from me. He is the voice of the silent majority.
I dont have a particular interest in his views, but from what I've seen he speaks a lot of common sense. Anyone who thinks the islamisation of Europe isnt happening or wont matter is simply very naieve or just needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
The problem with Western countries being tolorant and democratric, is that they are allowing intolorant and backwards groups to take root. This is happening at the expense of the tax payer in many ways.
Fortunately more and more people seem to realise the dangers here, and I hope things start to change.
Anyone who has the guts to stand up for what they believe in in the face of political correctness gets respect from me. He is the voice of the silent majority.
I dont have a particular interest in his views, but from what I've seen he speaks a lot of common sense. Anyone who thinks the islamisation of Europe isnt happening or wont matter is simply very naieve or just needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
The problem with Western countries being tolorant and democratric, is that they are allowing intolorant and backwards groups to take root. This is happening at the expense of the tax payer in many ways.
Fortunately more and more people seem to realise the dangers here, and I hope things start to change.
Brilliant idea, that way the nutters on both sides get their wish!
05 October 2010, 02:15 PM
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It's not hard to see Islam as an intractable political ideology in total conflict with secularism and liberalism, after all Islam as a religious-political ideology has never had an enlightenment.
If Islam is not intractable and is able to conform to secularism and liberalism then this should be easy to demonstrate right?
If not then we have a problem, just as Nazism and Communism were problems.
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To my mind;
If he is being treated the same as anyone (Muslim Jew Buddist whatever) then fair enough. If he is being singled out picked upon because of his beliefs and to silence them then not really fair.
I would be interested to hear from any Dutch (as i said earlier) about this.
Interesting those on SN who feel we are better off without any Muslims and Islam - what do you suggest as an answer - a holy war??? complete segregation???
If he is being treated the same as anyone (Muslim Jew Buddist whatever) then fair enough. If he is being singled out picked upon because of his beliefs and to silence them then not really fair.
I would be interested to hear from any Dutch (as i said earlier) about this.
Interesting those on SN who feel we are better off without any Muslims and Islam - what do you suggest as an answer - a holy war??? complete segregation???
05 October 2010, 02:34 PM
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In every thread (or just about) - if people do not agree with you or your views then they must be less intelligent than you or those you agree with - do you really believe that is the case? it is not just 'thickos' and 'red top believers' you know!
Not all the ***** where idiots or stupid there where some clever people surrounding Hitler. Same for Stalin and communism, Pol Pot and more recently Bin Laden.
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Just look at the majority of the rabid anti Muslim posts in here, look at the spelling and the grammar... do I really need to go on or are you counting yourself in their number?
05 October 2010, 02:53 PM
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Labelling 'them' Left wing right wing, whatever religion etc as feckwits or foaming at the mouth does not mean that they count or should not be considered. History is littered with examples of problems that have festered and escalated, a few bright (if evil) individuals stirring up the masses for their own ends, spreading and creating hatred. Hitler in Eurpoe and the attempted extermination of the jews and more recently in Bosnia by Milosovic(sp?)
Do not dismiss someone because they cannot spell or put together the best cohesive argument!
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Sorry, but in my book if you can't put a cohesive argument together then you will be dismissed. Life is too short to bother with people who can't make a valid case for their views.