"Self esteem does not put food in the table"....
24 September 2010, 09:26 AM
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"Self esteem does not put food in the table"....
..."stay on the dole".
Just about to watch jezza for the first time in a looong time, and it looks like it's going to be interesing.
Shocking!
Just about to watch jezza for the first time in a looong time, and it looks like it's going to be interesing.
Shocking!
24 September 2010, 10:00 AM
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24 September 2010, 10:02 AM
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On a serious note this is the problem. while on the rock'n'roll they get their rent, council tax etc all paid for and some spending money each week for whatever they want. So consider they need to make around £500 a week or more to just break even with what they get given why work? For those with little or no job skills they probably couldn't even get a job paying anyway near that so as the system is they'd be stupid to find a job.
the people are often lazy yes but the system has created a trap where getting a job actually makes them worse off. The system needs to change.
the people are often lazy yes but the system has created a trap where getting a job actually makes them worse off. The system needs to change.
24 September 2010, 10:10 AM
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On a serious note this is the problem. while on the rock'n'roll they get their rent, council tax etc all paid for and some spending money each week for whatever they want. So consider they need to make around £500 a week or more to just break even with what they get given why work? For those with little or no job skills they probably couldn't even get a job paying anyway near that so as the system is they'd be stupid to find a job.
the people are often lazy yes but the system has created a trap where getting a job actually makes them worse off. The system needs to change.
the people are often lazy yes but the system has created a trap where getting a job actually makes them worse off. The system needs to change.
If the government are going to support people to the extent they are worse off by working, then they simply won't work.
He also said that people who work are jealous. I have to agree with him there too. The people who work the 9-5 don't get even half the help/benefits they do. It is unfair.
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24 September 2010, 10:30 AM
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Its not quite that simple. That family is a perfect example of that. If most families in their situation have the same amount of children, there simply wouldn't be the provisions to remove them.
24 September 2010, 10:53 AM
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But how do you stop it.
These people disgust me. My wife has family that pop the poor little buggers out ***** nilly - one with twins and another on the way and the feckless BF has just walked. The wifes sister is just about to announce number 2 and they are on the social.
Makes my f*cking blood boil.
These people disgust me. My wife has family that pop the poor little buggers out ***** nilly - one with twins and another on the way and the feckless BF has just walked. The wifes sister is just about to announce number 2 and they are on the social.
Makes my f*cking blood boil.
24 September 2010, 10:55 AM
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I totally agree, the system is whats at fault, the man is right. Self esteem doesn't put food on the table.
If the government are going to support people to the extent they are worse off by working, then they simply won't work.
He also said that people who work are jealous. I have to agree with him there too. The people who work the 9-5 don't get even half the help/benefits they do. It is unfair.
If the government are going to support people to the extent they are worse off by working, then they simply won't work.
He also said that people who work are jealous. I have to agree with him there too. The people who work the 9-5 don't get even half the help/benefits they do. It is unfair.
24 September 2010, 10:55 AM
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And another crazy thing is, that if...and its a big if, they were to get any maintenance payments either by arrangement or CSA it has no effect on benefits they receive. It could be quite a profitable lifestyle. Pick the right blokes, knock a few darling out and get CSA to claim your £50-£75/week each. 
24 September 2010, 11:03 AM
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I agree with nearly everything thats been put all ready but have to say its the goverment thats created the mess ! They are causing this by giving out more benefits per week to a none working family than the family would be able to earn working. What incentive do these ppl have to go to wk ??
Ppl on the dole should be given a min amount to live per wk enough for rent and food. Only be paid this for 6 month period (give them time to find job they want or to retrain) Give them a deadline if they havent found work by that time they should have to work for the little benefit they receive by doing the jobs no one else wants to do ie road sweeping, public toilet cleaning or dog **** removal team. If they then decline this wk all benifits should be stopped meaning they would be forced to work.
It really gets to me how much some of these ppl get Ive seen programs where they have leather sofas decorated to the highest order with 52" widescreen bolted to the wall. I work full time as does my misses we have 1 child with another on the way. It costs us £600 a month for child care plus another £600 when the newborn arrives. We get no benefits at all and have been paying into the system for 15yrs. Benefits should be paid to the the ppl that pay into the system so they benefit from the hardwork they do day in day out !!! grrrrrrr
Rant over lol
Ppl on the dole should be given a min amount to live per wk enough for rent and food. Only be paid this for 6 month period (give them time to find job they want or to retrain) Give them a deadline if they havent found work by that time they should have to work for the little benefit they receive by doing the jobs no one else wants to do ie road sweeping, public toilet cleaning or dog **** removal team. If they then decline this wk all benifits should be stopped meaning they would be forced to work.
It really gets to me how much some of these ppl get Ive seen programs where they have leather sofas decorated to the highest order with 52" widescreen bolted to the wall. I work full time as does my misses we have 1 child with another on the way. It costs us £600 a month for child care plus another £600 when the newborn arrives. We get no benefits at all and have been paying into the system for 15yrs. Benefits should be paid to the the ppl that pay into the system so they benefit from the hardwork they do day in day out !!! grrrrrrr
Rant over lol
24 September 2010, 11:38 AM
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I agree with nearly everything thats been put all ready but have to say its the goverment thats created the mess ! They are causing this by giving out more benefits per week to a none working family than the family would be able to earn working. What incentive do these ppl have to go to wk ??
Ppl on the dole should be given a min amount to live per wk enough for rent and food. Only be paid this for 6 month period (give them time to find job they want or to retrain) Give them a deadline if they havent found work by that time they should have to work for the little benefit they receive by doing the jobs no one else wants to do ie road sweeping, public toilet cleaning or dog **** removal team. If they then decline this wk all benifits should be stopped meaning they would be forced to work.
It really gets to me how much some of these ppl get Ive seen programs where they have leather sofas decorated to the highest order with 52" widescreen bolted to the wall. I work full time as does my misses we have 1 child with another on the way. It costs us £600 a month for child care plus another £600 when the newborn arrives. We get no benefits at all and have been paying into the system for 15yrs. Benefits should be paid to the the ppl that pay into the system so they benefit from the hardwork they do day in day out !!! grrrrrrr
Rant over lol
Ppl on the dole should be given a min amount to live per wk enough for rent and food. Only be paid this for 6 month period (give them time to find job they want or to retrain) Give them a deadline if they havent found work by that time they should have to work for the little benefit they receive by doing the jobs no one else wants to do ie road sweeping, public toilet cleaning or dog **** removal team. If they then decline this wk all benifits should be stopped meaning they would be forced to work.
It really gets to me how much some of these ppl get Ive seen programs where they have leather sofas decorated to the highest order with 52" widescreen bolted to the wall. I work full time as does my misses we have 1 child with another on the way. It costs us £600 a month for child care plus another £600 when the newborn arrives. We get no benefits at all and have been paying into the system for 15yrs. Benefits should be paid to the the ppl that pay into the system so they benefit from the hardwork they do day in day out !!! grrrrrrr
Rant over lol
I bet most people carried on getting it. Something to do with parents earnings!!!
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24 September 2010, 12:22 PM
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I've been on the sick for the last 7 months. Now my SSP (£79 a week) has stopped and my empoyer has sacked me. So i have to claim employment and support allowance, i've also put in a claim in for housing benifit and council tax benifit as well as an industrial injuries claim.
This will be only the second time in my working life that i have claimed anything.
So after 20 odd years of working and paying N.I and tax you would think/hope i would be well looked after during this time of incapacity and financial hardship wouldn't you.
Well i'm not holding my breath. As Mrs B works and we don't have kids, i fear we will be entitled to the grand sum of........**** all.
Where have all my contributions gone?? O yeah, those lazy work shy, baby making, scrounging fekkers have had it all!
This country is, truley screwed.
This will be only the second time in my working life that i have claimed anything.
So after 20 odd years of working and paying N.I and tax you would think/hope i would be well looked after during this time of incapacity and financial hardship wouldn't you.
Well i'm not holding my breath. As Mrs B works and we don't have kids, i fear we will be entitled to the grand sum of........**** all.
Where have all my contributions gone?? O yeah, those lazy work shy, baby making, scrounging fekkers have had it all!
This country is, truley screwed.
24 September 2010, 12:24 PM
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24 September 2010, 12:42 PM
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It also makes my blood boil, we're expecting in Around 4 weeks as expected moneys going to be tight but we won't get a penny. I've been in constant work since 16 I'm 24 now and pay quite alot of tax a week and get nothing for it.
The missis applies for the baby grant which is about £190 but if you don't work you get £500!!!
My auntie is baby making machine the government told her to stop working as she'll be better off!!
Cameron needs to grow a spine and cut it all down if he did this he'll not have to worry next election time
The missis applies for the baby grant which is about £190 but if you don't work you get £500!!!
My auntie is baby making machine the government told her to stop working as she'll be better off!!
Cameron needs to grow a spine and cut it all down if he did this he'll not have to worry next election time
24 September 2010, 12:50 PM
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what %age of the population does one think these people are?
don't the vast majority of people on the dole/social want to work and earn a decent living wage
don't the vast majority of people on the dole/social want to work and earn a decent living wage
it's a bonkers system, full stop. Here's hoping the new Govt do something about it 
24 September 2010, 12:55 PM
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It's not rocket science ... each new sprog recovers a smaller amount from the Govt & then stops after (say) 2 or 3. Any more than that & you're on your own = unlikely to happen. The growth of the world population needs to slow down &/or stop anyways so it would help that too.
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24 September 2010, 12:59 PM
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