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Old 22 April 2010, 01:36 PM
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As above as i don't understand the reason behind it although i do appreciate the difference it makes from not having last last tyres balances properly.
Old 22 April 2010, 01:38 PM
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So they dont shake like a ****, if the wheel is not balanced and centred it just shakes like hell. Physics! lol
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Why don't they just make the wheels balanced in the first place ha ha
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because of these




and wimmin tend to like hitting these





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Old 22 April 2010, 01:41 PM
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lol spot on Swiss.

Fantom, the tyre counts too
Old 22 April 2010, 01:46 PM
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The tyre is round and pretty much the same all the way round. It should be balanced lol
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Now this could be my young mind being well stupid and young but i thought a round symetrical wheel with tyre would automatically be balanced?
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A metal valve weighs around 8g..
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It's very difficult (read expensive) to get an aluminium alloy wheel balanced during the manufacturing process due to the tolerances involved. Forged alloy wheels generally aren't too bad, cheaper cast alloy wheels can be worse since the tolerances allowed during manufacture are looser.

It's also nigh on impossible to correctly balance a tyre during or after the manufacturing process. Although with radial-ply tyres and modern construction methods, things are far better than they used to be in the old cross-ply days.
Old 22 April 2010, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Fantom
The tyre is round and pretty much the same all the way round. It should be balanced lol
They aren't that perfectly round.
Old 22 April 2010, 02:39 PM
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why do wheels need balanced?

why is the sky blue?
why is water wet?
why do women have secrets?

If any of you can name the movie WITHOUT goggling it, i will be impressed
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Originally Posted by bigsinky
why do wheels need balanced?

why is the sky blue?
why is water wet?
why do women have secrets?

If any of you can name the movie WITHOUT goggling it, i will be impressed

Light scattering effect
Surface tension
Just because


and all without Google.

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Old 22 April 2010, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
Now this could be my young mind being well stupid and young but i thought a round symetrical wheel with tyre would automatically be balanced?
Youngsters!

The wheel will be the closest to your automatic balancing.

But, the tyre just won't due to manufacturing tolerances
And then once mated together it'll be further out.
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It's all that heavy air - it settles down to the bottom of the tyre when you park so wheel needs to be balanced to redistribute the air properly
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Originally Posted by David Lock
It's all that heavy air - it settles down to the bottom of the tyre when you park so wheel needs to be balanced to redistribute the air properly
makes sense to me!

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Originally Posted by bigsinky
why do wheels need balanced?

why is the sky blue?
why is water wet?
why do women have secrets?

If any of you can name the movie WITHOUT goggling it, i will be impressed

I won't spoil it for the others, but was it a Bruce Willis movie

Didn't need to google it, but me and MrsD did watch it on Sky+ the other night
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
As above as i don't understand the reason behind it although i do appreciate the difference it makes from not having last last tyres balances properly.
Darwin awarded you a thicky baton
Old 22 April 2010, 09:22 PM
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#1 wheels are not round or perfect
#2 Tyres are same - look at the yellow, blue and red markings on a new tyre which tells the fitter where the weight/balance/run-outs are.
#3 Go look up rotational weight science.

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Your tyres are not round. Next time your parked up take a look and you'll see they are flat at the bottom.

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Originally Posted by Jamie
Darwin awarded you a thicky baton
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because they do . end of
Old 23 April 2010, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
I won't spoil it for the others, but was it a Bruce Willis movie

Didn't need to google it, but me and MrsD did watch it on Sky+ the other night

suitably impressed. any other takers that can name the movie now you have a clue?
Old 23 April 2010, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
As above as i don't understand the reason behind it although i do appreciate the difference it makes from not having last last tyres balances properly.
To prevent the vibration and excessive tyre wear from unbalanced wheels.

Not economically possible to make wheels in dynamic balance, the tyre valve if the first irritation and it is also not possible to get a tyre to be in perfect balance either. Has to be done of course with the tyre and wheel as a unit as you will doubtless know.

Les
Old 23 April 2010, 04:10 PM
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Because its a fairly weighty disk that isnt of a perfectly even weight across its circumference, the faster the wheel rotates the greater the forces involved and the more any variances in weight distribution will become apparent, the balancing machine spins the wheel up to operating speed and minitors the vibration, it tells the operator where to place a weight and what size.

My dad is an engineer who works on high speed spindles and motors, they can go up to 100,000 rpm and need to be perfectly balanced which involves adding tiny weights and drilling, he says when one is out of balance and spun to full tilt it makes a right racket and is liable to launch itself out of the machine its in, he can tell by ear as it gathers rpm whether or not its ok to proceed.

I had a Golf with alloys once, could never get them in balance, turne out not to be the wheel being balanced but the fact it didnt fit onto the locating thing on the hub, so when I tightenened the nuts it clamped down off centre, only by a tiny fraction but enough to cause massive vibration.
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