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Old 20 February 2010, 06:59 PM
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All bollox.

Life isn't fair, never has been, never will be. Govts can't change that, but they can **** away our money trying.
Old 20 February 2010, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FlightMan
All bollox.

Life isn't fair, never has been, never will be. Govts can't change that, but they can **** away our money trying.
some don't even bother trying
Old 20 February 2010, 07:04 PM
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I think that's the final nail in the coffin for the shambles that this government is.
Trouble is we've got to put up with a tory government to get rid of them!
*votes monster raving loony party again*
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Old 20 February 2010, 07:13 PM
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some don't even bother trying
There's no point - It's a waste of money and it comes out of every working persons tax £.

A complete downward spiral - all thanks to Labour. The party of Tax and Spend. The party of social engineering, The nanny state from Cradle to Grave. The party that divests the willingly feckless of all responsibility and gets the rest of us to pay for their "Right" to ever increasing assets / benefits.

Blair / Brown / Labour - Going down, in history!
Old 20 February 2010, 08:34 PM
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Boils my pi$$ ideas like this, why should I work my **** off to earn decent money, buy my own house have a nice car etc, when labour come out with these ideas so scum in council flats can live the easy life, i really hope a labour representative comes canvassing but i don't think they have the bottle anymore
Old 20 February 2010, 10:28 PM
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10p tax rate debacle put paid to any thoughts of GB being fair to all ...

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Old 21 February 2010, 02:03 AM
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fair to the middle classes? Is he offering tax refunds for people who actually work?
Old 21 February 2010, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jods
There's no point - It's a waste of money and it comes out of every working persons tax £.

A complete downward spiral - all thanks to Labour. The party of Tax and Spend. The party of social engineering, The nanny state from Cradle to Grave. The party that divests the willingly feckless of all responsibility and gets the rest of us to pay for their "Right" to ever increasing assets / benefits.

Blair / Brown / Labour - Going down, in history!
Spot on!
Old 21 February 2010, 09:26 AM
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I 'liked' the "take a second look" bit from him..

We've been having to look at Labour for the last 13 bloody years.....
Old 21 February 2010, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jods
A complete downward spiral - all thanks to Labour.
Yep I wish we could go back to the good old rose tinted days of Thatcher's Britain

The main parties are all the same - why can't so many see that? You are about to vote Cameron in and will all be moaning within 12 months.

Greed and self interest - that is all any major party really stands for.
Old 21 February 2010, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep I wish we could go back to the good old rose tinted days of Thatcher's Britain

The main parties are all the same - why can't so many see that? You are about to vote Cameron in and will all be moaning within 12 months.

Greed and self interest - that is all any major party really stands for.
You keep on saying this, are you saying better the devil you know - do we keep Brown, rubber stamp him, his cabinate of sniveling lickspittles and rubbish policies???

I do not look back on Mag's with that much affection, she did however take us to war and soundly beat the Argies back to where they came from. She was tough and ruthless and led from the front. Not sure if she kept lying to us either.
Hardly NL or Brown's style.

Camoron and his lot cannot even pull out a decent lead given Brown and NL's pi$$ poor showing - say's a lot about him and his leadership - theres' a party that needs to get some proper working policies and really stand out from the NL and the feckwitted Liberals who will only ever share power.

I bet the BNP gains some ground as well - thanks to NL and Brown
Old 21 February 2010, 09:56 AM
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A golden opportunity for some bright spark in Tory Central Office to get hold of a cartoonist and design a large poster entitled "Labour - Their Fair".

On the poster is a mix of images from things that you would have at a fair but imposing labour's failures. e.g. one of those rides with the car hurtling downwards with cabinet faces screaming as they think they are about to crash. A Gypsy Rose Lee tent promising to read your future but with "Labour Finance Group Meeting" on the tent. A win-a-teddy-bear stall but packed with Plasma TVs and the like with "Every Asylum Seeker's a Winner" on front. A coconut shy with cartoons of greedy fat bankers hurling ***** at a bunch of heads depicting the general public. I could go on.....

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Old 21 February 2010, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep I wish we could go back to the good old rose tinted days of Thatcher's Britain

The main parties are all the same - why can't so many see that? You are about to vote Cameron in and will all be moaning within 12 months.

Greed and self interest - that is all any major party really stands for.
The major problem with the country is the economy which is in a truly awful state. As in the the last 13 years they have been borrowing money hand over fist and using it to make the economy look artificially better than it ever was, that is from 4 years after they were in power, and squandered away the strong economy which they inherited from the Conservatives. had they not done this we would at least have been in a much better position to cope with the recession.

We are now in a position that soon they will have to put up taxes etc. since they will soon not be able to keep borrowing even more money. The debt will take many years to clear, even our grandchildren will be paying it off. They have been artificially making things look better in the same manner in the hopes of getting re-elected.

The Conservatives have always had to re establish the economy after a Labour government, and this time it will be an even more painful process. At least they are likely to cut the spending on the totally unnecessary and wasteful items which is where it is all going at the moment. If this lot get into power again, we will be joining the Greeks at the bottom of the Eu and rapidly progressing towards totalitarian rule.

No point in burying our heads in the sand over the real state of the country!

Les

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Old 21 February 2010, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep I wish we could go back to the good old rose tinted days of Thatcher's Britain
But Maggie had one thing no-one in the Labour Party has - a Spine. Even those who dispise her have to admit that she said what she thought and believed was the truth and didn't wiggle and worm her way out of it pretending that she was misunderstood or that it wasn't her fault.

I mean look at Brown who a while back criticised politicians "using" their children after that official photo of Cameron with his family was released. Now we have him boo-hoo'ing on TV about loosing a baby because, presumably, his PR pundits have said that he needs to look more human to the British people. So now, rather than looking like an unemotional grey man - you look like a spineless chump who is attempting to gain public favour by using the tragic death of a child to win some votes. Nice.

I hate George Osborne and would love to see him hanging from a set of gallows for treason - but at least I have to have respect for the fact that he has his opinions and he sticks to them regardless, and thats one more positive thought I have about him than I do Brown.
Old 21 February 2010, 10:24 AM
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Fair deal for all, what a load of B*llocks.
When the equality Minister (Ms Harmen) is changing the law so that white British people are disadvanteged in all walks of life, schools, hospital treatments, job applications, etc etc. To me equality (and fairness) means just that whether you are gay, straight, Afro-Caribbean, green, black, coloured, Avatar blue etc etc.
Also fairness doesnt mean having to pay for your own care if you have a few quid in the bank or having to sell your home when those who have not prepared for old age or p!ssed it up the wall get it for nothing. Fairness doesnt mean paying the new £20,000 death tax even if you never use the care services.

Seriously any one voting for this one eyed abuser and his so unfair regime must be totally barking (look how well Mandleson who has been kicked out of politics twice and that Scottish criminal the Speaker have done out of us).
Old 21 February 2010, 10:27 AM
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All this 'she had spine' stuff is all very well, but life under Thatcher weas pretty poor for a lot of people. As for the economy it was actually only in the last few years of Major's premiership and thanks to Ken Clark that the economy really became stable. I mean 4 million unemployed, 5% inflation and 15% interest rates with two boom/bust cycles in 8 years is not really something to be championed is it?

One of the reasons we are in such a poor state now is the ridiculous borrowing, but another is our economy's reliance on the financial services sector and that was down to Thatcher.

Yes she took us to the Falklands for a nice little war, but people fail to remember her refusal to pursue diplomatic methods to avoid going to war in the first place and the fact that the war raised her popularity just in time to win a second election. Just coincidence thiugh I am sure.

All I am saying in context is as bad as Labour are the Tories will not be any better and the blind faith in 'anything has to be better than Labour so let's vote Tory to get them out' displayed by so many on here is worrying.

Far better you all look at your local candidates and decide which one really says what you think (even if they are from the BNP) and vote for them regardless of their party. If everyone did that it would be a real kcik in the teeth for the main parties and one they richly deserve.

Stare at that poster of Cameron and tell me that is not a man that thinks all he has to do is wait and he will be prime minister and then ask yourself why he wants to be prime minister? For the good of the country? I don't think so!!!
Old 21 February 2010, 10:37 AM
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As a lifelong Labour voter, Party Member and activist I cannot support Brown's regime. The underhand things that go on and the secrecy, the looking after old friends etc the socialist ethos has gone from this Party. Will it ever come back? I dont know, sadly for the first time in my long life I cannot come to vote for Labour at the next election. I will work to get my local candidate elected, in the hope that things may change, but I cannot vote for Brown and his pals. Who to vote for? Probably UKIP. Which is a wasted vote.
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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hooker
As a lifelong Labour voter, Party Member and activist I cannot support Brown's regime. The underhand things that go on and the secrecy, the looking after old friends etc the socialist ethos has gone from this Party. Will it ever come back? I dont know, sadly for the first time in my long life I cannot come to vote for Labour at the next election. I will work to get my local candidate elected, in the hope that things may change, but I cannot vote for Brown and his pals. Who to vote for? Probably UKIP. Which is a wasted vote.
Well said. I don't favour any particular party, only the one I think will be good for the country and who will support and defend it and our vakues and traditions.

I well remember Old Labour when the party was made up of honourable people who could be trusted even though they allowed themselves to be partly blinded by their policies and their economic principles were pretty poor. They worked for the people then. The Conservatives at least stood up for this country, lowered taxes where possible, and ran the economy well although I did not like some of their policies. They were mainly leaders though-especially Maggie.

As you say, this present lot are the dregs, they seem to be incapable of telling us the truth, they live only for the destruction of this country and for complete control of the electorate. their actions are hardly short of traitorous. I long for the day when they are kicked out.

Les
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