Judge says Sikhs should be able to carry knife in school.
08 February 2010, 10:06 AM
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Judge says Sikhs should be able to carry knife in school.
Story this morning about the UK's first Asian Judge saying that he thinks Sikh boys should be allowed to wear their ceremonial dagger to school.
Why is it that the safety and welfare of others shold be disregarded because it is a religious belief?
What about other beliefs? If white supremecist famlies collectively said that their kids should wear a ceremonial Glock, do you think they would be allowed to?
It beggars belief!
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Why is it that the safety and welfare of others shold be disregarded because it is a religious belief?
What about other beliefs? If white supremecist famlies collectively said that their kids should wear a ceremonial Glock, do you think they would be allowed to?
It beggars belief!
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08 February 2010, 10:17 AM
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Regardless or religion/cultural beliefs the children at the school are not safe if anyone is walking around with a knife.
So what if said wearer of the knife knows not to go around stabbing people.... if Joe Bloggs has skipped his Ritalin that morning and decides he is going on a mission, it makes no difference who the knife belongs too.
I think it's absolutely mental.
So what if said wearer of the knife knows not to go around stabbing people.... if Joe Bloggs has skipped his Ritalin that morning and decides he is going on a mission, it makes no difference who the knife belongs too.
I think it's absolutely mental.
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08 February 2010, 11:28 AM
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Some years ago there WAS a stabbing outside a local school.
Now this school is very heavy on the ethnic intake, and it just so happened that the kid who DID the stabbing was from an ethnic minority.
The upshot was a local nosey councillor took up the kid's case and threatened to take the school to the Race Relations Board if only the ethnic kid, the stabber, was expelled.He wanted both, for fighting, or neither.
School didn't want the stink, and caved
And the councillor? An Asian Muslim.
It didn't do the school any favours though. The result was a loss of intake, white families wouldn't send their kids there, saying, "No chance, the Asian kids rule that place!"
Now this school is very heavy on the ethnic intake, and it just so happened that the kid who DID the stabbing was from an ethnic minority.
The upshot was a local nosey councillor took up the kid's case and threatened to take the school to the Race Relations Board if only the ethnic kid, the stabber, was expelled.He wanted both, for fighting, or neither.
School didn't want the stink, and caved
And the councillor? An Asian Muslim.
It didn't do the school any favours though. The result was a loss of intake, white families wouldn't send their kids there, saying, "No chance, the Asian kids rule that place!"
08 February 2010, 11:45 AM
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I'm sick and tired of all this islam/muslim beliefs shyte.
**** off from our country - you're destroying it
If you want to live in our country then abide by our rules fullstop or **** off.
We need to clamp down on this absurd nonsense via judicial means and show that we mean business and won't be pressurised by the "racial" card.
**** off from our country - you're destroying it
If you want to live in our country then abide by our rules fullstop or **** off.
We need to clamp down on this absurd nonsense via judicial means and show that we mean business and won't be pressurised by the "racial" card.
08 February 2010, 12:26 PM
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I'm sick and tired of all this islam/muslim beliefs shyte.
**** off from our country - you're destroying it
If you want to live in our country then abide by our rules fullstop or **** off.
We need to clamp down on this absurd nonsense via judicial means and show that we mean business and won't be pressurised by the "racial" card.
**** off from our country - you're destroying it
If you want to live in our country then abide by our rules fullstop or **** off.
We need to clamp down on this absurd nonsense via judicial means and show that we mean business and won't be pressurised by the "racial" card.
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08 February 2010, 12:50 PM
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Some years ago there WAS a stabbing outside a local school.
Now this school is very heavy on the ethnic intake, and it just so happened that the kid who DID the stabbing was from an ethnic minority.
The upshot was a local nosey councillor took up the kid's case and threatened to take the school to the Race Relations Board if only the ethnic kid, the stabber, was expelled.He wanted both, for fighting, or neither.
School didn't want the stink, and caved
And the councillor? An Asian Muslim.
It didn't do the school any favours though. The result was a loss of intake, white families wouldn't send their kids there, saying, "No chance, the Asian kids rule that place!"
Now this school is very heavy on the ethnic intake, and it just so happened that the kid who DID the stabbing was from an ethnic minority.
The upshot was a local nosey councillor took up the kid's case and threatened to take the school to the Race Relations Board if only the ethnic kid, the stabber, was expelled.He wanted both, for fighting, or neither.
School didn't want the stink, and caved
And the councillor? An Asian Muslim.
It didn't do the school any favours though. The result was a loss of intake, white families wouldn't send their kids there, saying, "No chance, the Asian kids rule that place!"
Dude have you got a link of that story??? I ain't Asian but this whole thing started About Sikh people and now some how turned in to some Muslim thing as usual
08 February 2010, 01:00 PM
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Generally the Sikhs conduct themselves with dignity and seem to integrate well in my experience but insisting children are able to carry a "Dagger", i.e. a lethal weapon goes against everything the Police and government are trying to do to avoid stabbings.
I suspect there is a compromise that can be made here, the dagger I expect for religous observance does not need to be a lethal weapon and as such could be limited in size and be blunt or set up so it cant be drawn from its sheath.
I would hope that this doesnt become a wedge between the Sikh community and everybody else, it doesnt need to be, we have enough wedges.
Also, I cant say I have heard about loads of young Sikh males going round tooled up stabbing people, that seems to be the preserve of other sections of society.
I suspect there is a compromise that can be made here, the dagger I expect for religous observance does not need to be a lethal weapon and as such could be limited in size and be blunt or set up so it cant be drawn from its sheath.
I would hope that this doesnt become a wedge between the Sikh community and everybody else, it doesnt need to be, we have enough wedges.
Also, I cant say I have heard about loads of young Sikh males going round tooled up stabbing people, that seems to be the preserve of other sections of society.
08 February 2010, 01:05 PM
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Generally the Sikhs conduct themselves with dignity and seem to integrate well in my experience but insisting children are able to carry a "Dagger", i.e. a lethal weapon goes against everything the Police and government are trying to do to avoid stabbings.
I suspect there is a compromise that can be made here, the dagger I expect for religous observance does not need to be a lethal weapon and as such could be limited in size and be blunt or set up so it cant be drawn from its sheath.
I would hope that this doesnt become a wedge between the Sikh community and everybody else, it doesnt need to be, we have enough wedges.
Also, I cant say I have heard about loads of young Sikh males going round tooled up stabbing people, that seems to be the preserve of other sections of society.
I suspect there is a compromise that can be made here, the dagger I expect for religous observance does not need to be a lethal weapon and as such could be limited in size and be blunt or set up so it cant be drawn from its sheath.
I would hope that this doesnt become a wedge between the Sikh community and everybody else, it doesnt need to be, we have enough wedges.
Also, I cant say I have heard about loads of young Sikh males going round tooled up stabbing people, that seems to be the preserve of other sections of society.
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08 February 2010, 01:29 PM
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Have to follow up the Scottish roots and go in kilt... with the 'black knife' tucked into your sock. See if that is allowed in school...
Sgian dubh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Sgian dubh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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08 February 2010, 01:37 PM
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If the gov't Police and LEA's do not want knives in schools then that's it no knives, no exceptions, no giving in. It is safer for the children and teachers not to have any children carrying knives, ceremonial or not.
I am sure the Sikh (insert whatever religion here) boys can carry the knife in the safety of thier own homes and not to in public places, school's or on the streets.
I am sure the Sikh (insert whatever religion here) boys can carry the knife in the safety of thier own homes and not to in public places, school's or on the streets.
08 February 2010, 01:46 PM
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If my kids were at a school were i knew another child or children were allowed to carry knives, i'm sorry but my children would no longer be at said school.
08 February 2010, 01:47 PM
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Only in the UK 
why oh why do we let such fools in to positions of power Bl**dy depressing quite frankly
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why oh why do we let such fools in to positions of power Bl**dy depressing quite frankly TX.
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I was born in Scotland & when I don the kilt etc it comes with a plastic knife (sgian dubh) rather than a real one! Why should a Sikh be treated any different to someone wearing the traditional kilt?
TX.
Edit - oops, someone else got in first with the sgian dubh.
2nd edit - from Wiki:
"In the United Kingdom, it is legal under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (section 139)[4] and the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (section 3 and 4)[5] for someone wearing the national costume of Scotland to carry a Sgian Dubh - see knife legislation."
TX.
Edit - oops, someone else got in first with the sgian dubh.
2nd edit - from Wiki:
"In the United Kingdom, it is legal under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (section 139)[4] and the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (section 3 and 4)[5] for someone wearing the national costume of Scotland to carry a Sgian Dubh - see knife legislation."
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08 February 2010, 01:55 PM
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There was a Sikh lad in my class at school who carried his Kirpan with him most of the time although obviously not when on the sports field!
No worries there and that was 25-odd years ago, why such a fuss now?
No worries there and that was 25-odd years ago, why such a fuss now?
08 February 2010, 02:14 PM
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I'm sick and tired of all this islam/muslim beliefs shyte.
**** off from our country - you're destroying it
If you want to live in our country then abide by our rules fullstop or **** off.
We need to clamp down on this absurd nonsense via judicial means and show that we mean business and won't be pressurised by the "racial" card.
**** off from our country - you're destroying it
If you want to live in our country then abide by our rules fullstop or **** off.
We need to clamp down on this absurd nonsense via judicial means and show that we mean business and won't be pressurised by the "racial" card.
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08 February 2010, 02:16 PM
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B*gger me! The swear filter even censored THAT
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08 February 2010, 02:17 PM
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No it hasn't.
I made comments yes - but they are meant to be in the context of people playing on religion and or racial "rights"
People are fed up with this now - most just don't want to admit it.
Our laws say you cannot carry a dangerous weapon
Why can't these people just accept that?
For example in an islamic country what would happen if I was walking around in public drinking alcohol - I'd be given lashes most likely (I used to work with a guy from Saudia Arabia)
It was more so religious based
i.e. Its my religion to do this or that
I'm just stating
We'll its either against our laws or causes offence to us, so **** off elsewhere
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08 February 2010, 02:44 PM
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If you were directing it all religions like you say, then why say **** off elsewhere? Where exactly are Christians who have been here for generations supposed to go? These laws are their laws too.Geezer
08 February 2010, 03:05 PM
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Regardless though, my point is you are in the United Kingdom and you will abide by our rules
We will NOT change our rules just because of something hundreds of years old in your religious beliefs, and if you don't like that then you should leave the country for good.
Simple then.
08 February 2010, 03:22 PM
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Probably, yes, but that is not the point!
I think we agree there.
This still infers "sod off back to where you came from, [substitute whatever racial/religious stereotype you like here]". If a family came over with the Normans, and they don't like, say, a law that says you cannot wear a crucifix in school, what are the options?
There are plenty of Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians etc etc who have been here for a very long time. The issue is not where they come from (let's face it, Christianity is not a British invention!) but the fact that the law at this time says you can not do something, and they cry foul because of their religion. It is discrimination to allow them to be exempt. The answer is not to wholesale deport them all, because for a lot of them, there is nowhere to deport them to!
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There are plenty of Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians etc etc who have been here for a very long time. The issue is not where they come from (let's face it, Christianity is not a British invention!) but the fact that the law at this time says you can not do something, and they cry foul because of their religion. It is discrimination to allow them to be exempt. The answer is not to wholesale deport them all, because for a lot of them, there is nowhere to deport them to!
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08 February 2010, 03:34 PM
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my wife is actuley sikh from my understanding they have to wear a turban and a bracelt on there arm in regards to carrying daggers when was the last time you heard a sikh guy murdering someone??? maybe they could carry daggers with out a blade or a blastic blade i really dont know much about the sikh religon but life is all about adjusting to accomidate everyone. weather people like it or not the uk has a lot of ethnics and dont forget all the sikhs the muslims and the blacks that helped during the world war even the war in iraq and the golf war. and also helped rebuild this country. im not saying all ethnics are great you will get scum in every nationality however there are many of us that are happy to contribute towards this country, and we do see it as our home