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Old 31 January 2010, 02:02 PM
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The UK Gov't is airfreighting out 55 tons of asbestos sheet, all the country has, to use to assemble hurricane proof shelters.

But seriously how the hell is that going to work?

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Old 31 January 2010, 02:02 PM
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Do they still use that horrible stuff?
Old 31 January 2010, 02:22 PM
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Most buildings constructed pre 1980 will have loads of it in. Perfectly safe as long as you don't disturb it.

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Old 31 January 2010, 02:32 PM
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Actually, I think it was corrugated iron sheeting they're sending.
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Yes it is corrugated iron that thryre sending.

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Originally Posted by oldsplice
Actually, I think it was corrugated iron sheeting they're sending.
Yeah - sorry I think you are right. Still leaves the question as to what they are going to do with it? If it's for roofing, fine but they will need to have some basic walls to fix it to. And it will have to be pretty well bolted down or else a hurricane will just tear them off.

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Originally Posted by David Lock
Yeah - sorry I think you are right. Still leaves the question as to what they are going to do with it? If it's for roofing, fine but they will need to have some basic walls to fix it to. And it will have to be pretty well bolted down or else a hurricane will just tear them off.

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You are joking?

The sheeting can be used as walls and roofing, just needs a rudimentary timber frame to keep it together. And the hurricane season is mid October onwards, so it should be fine for a while.

Don't forget all they have are tents at the moment, so this is a massive improvement
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True but i wouldn't buy or work anywhere that had it, disturbed or not.

Originally Posted by Steve vRS
Most buildings constructed pre 1980 will have loads of it in. Perfectly safe as long as you don't disturb it.

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Old 31 January 2010, 08:17 PM
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Where do you work?
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A log cabin?
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Originally Posted by nik52wrx
True but i wouldn't buy or work anywhere that had it, disturbed or not.
Why

It was the stuff they used for insulation that caused the problems

The stuff they made roofing from is less hazardous to your health than a lot of materials considered 'safe'
Old 31 January 2010, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
Why

It was the stuff they used for insulation that caused the problems

The stuff they made roofing from is less hazardous to your health than a lot of materials considered 'safe'

How do you work that one out

Asbestos is a naturally occurring silicate that was used as a building material during the 60s, 70s and 80s because of its chemical and heat resistant properties.
Its use since the mid 90s has decreased dramatically as the dangers associated with asbestos became known and its use was restricted.
What types of asbestos are there?
There are three types of asbestos:
  1. White Asbestos (chrysotile) – used most commonly in domestic appliances and buildings
  2. Brown Asbestos (amosite) – used most commonly in thermal insulation, sprayed applications, and insulation boards
  3. Blue Asbestos (crocidolite) – used most commonly for insulation laggings and sprayed coatings
You may not be able to identify which type of asbestos it is by colour as it is often incorporated into another product.
What are the health risks associated with asbestos?
The risks associated with the use of asbestos are concentrated around the respiratory system. This is because the greatest risk comes from the inhalation of asbestos fibres.
There are three main health conditions associated with asbestos fibre inhalation, asbestosis, lung cancer, and mesothelioma.
Asbestosis – This is the permanent scarring of lung tissue, and is usually associated with frequent exposure to high levels of asbestos dust over a period of up to 10 years.
Lung Cancer – Some people who get asbestosis may also develop lung cancer, but there are other factors which will also increase this risk, such as smoking.
Mesothelioma – This is a type of cancer that is most commonly the result of exposure to blue asbestos, and takes 15 to 60 years to develop to a point where diagnosis is possible.
It is important to remember that because of the prolonged exposure period, illness as a result of asbestos may not develop until decades after the initial exposure.
Where is asbestos found?
Asbestos can be found in many forms and in many places. Below are some common examples:
  • Roof and wall claddings
  • Roof slates, linings, tiles and felts
  • Flue-pipes, gutters, rainwater, downpipes, airbricks
  • Pipe lagging
  • Thermoplastics and vinyl floor tiles
  • Textured paints and spray coatings
  • Storage and catalytic heaters
  • Insulation of heating systems
  • Internal partitions, wall boards, airing-cupboard linings and shelving, and ducts
Asbestos is only identifiable by those who know what they are looking for, as it looks like any other building material or substance.
What if I find asbestos in the home?
If you suspect that you have asbestos in your home, then you may need to have it assessed as to whether or not it is asbestos, and to see what condition it is in.
If it is intact, in good condition, and not damaged or likely to be disturbed, then it is best left alone. Do not drill, saw, scrub it or disturb it in any way. Check it on a regular basis for signs of damage.
If it is damaged and to be disturbed, then it is best to get rid of it of it (see How can I dispose of asbestos?).
What if I find asbestos in the workplace?
The Control of Asbestos in the Workplace Regulations 2002 place duties on places of work to:
  • Identify asbestos (where it is, how much there is, and what condition it is in)
  • Assess the risk from the asbestos (what are the risks, and to whom)
  • Prepare a plan that sets out how the asbestos is going to be managed
  • Implement the plan
  • Review and monitor the plan, and the arrangements put in place to implement the plan
  • Provide information on the location and condition of the asbestos to anyone who is liable to work on or disturb it
For more information, contact the Health and Safety Executive.
How do I dispose of asbestos?
If dealing with large quantities of asbestos, or asbestos which will be difficult to remove, it is best to employ the services of a contractor, as they will have the expertise and the equipment to carry out large scale and difficult jobs. This is important, as the removal of large quantities of asbestos requires additional measures to control the risk.
To dispose of small quantities of asbestos safely, there are measures you can put in place to minimise exposure and reduce the risk.
These are as follows:
  • Remove everyone from the area who do not need to be there
  • Wear a respirator and full body protective clothing
  • Lay down a plastic sheet
  • Damp down the asbestos product using a water spray
  • Do not drill, sand or saw the asbestos
  • Carefully remove the asbestos, put in a heavy duty bag and seal the bag
  • Put the smaller bag into a larger heavy duty bag and seal the larger bag
  • Label the outer bag as ‘ASBESTOS’
  • Hoover the plastic sheet using an industrial vacuum cleaner that complies with BS 5415 (type ‘H’)
  • Remove clothing and put straight in the wash
  • Have a bath or shower
  • Take bag to landfill tip that is licensed to take asbestos
Where you are looking to dispose of small items made from asbestos, there are simpler measures that can be taken to minimise exposure and reduce the risk:
  • Damp down the item using a water spray
  • Put the item in a bag, seal the bag and clearly label it ‘ASBESTOS’
  • Take the bag to Longshot Lane Civic Amenity Site and ask the site foreman where to put asbestos
  • Do not vacuum any debris, use a damp cloth to wipe it up, put the damp cloth in a bag, seal and label and dispose of this debris with the asbestos
Where can I dispose of asbestos?
The Civic Amenity site at Longshot Lane, Bracknell takes small amounts of asbestos from domestic premises as long as it is appropriately bagged, sealed and labelled.
Before taking asbestos to site please contact re3 on 0800 9883023 to make them aware you need to dispose of asbestos.
It does not take asbestos where there is reason to believe that it is from commercial or industrial premises
Old 31 January 2010, 08:38 PM
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corrugated iron and wooden poles?

blimey they will be more up market than Wellingborough!
Old 31 January 2010, 08:49 PM
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technically what Ian posted it true.

search for 'be asbestos aware' and you will pull up the government site for asbestos as there is a big push on it at the moment.
Old 31 January 2010, 09:22 PM
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I have a warehouse here and a warehouse in the far east both built out of asbestos (i go on price! )

You may not like the idea of it but it sure beats getting wet
Old 31 January 2010, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nik52wrx
True but i wouldn't buy or work anywhere that had it, disturbed or not.
if only you knew the bigger picture
Old 01 February 2010, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nik52wrx
True but i wouldn't buy or work anywhere that had it, disturbed or not.
How would you feel if you were in the position of the homeless in Haiti though? I spent quite a long time in the RAF living in accommodation made out of that and it actually worked very well. We kept the place warm enough with one of those pot belly stoves wound up to red hot!

It is quick and easy to make shelters with and I think it is a good idea to send it out there.

Les
Old 01 February 2010, 11:39 AM
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My uncle died of asbestos poisoning...



... took us 3 weeks to cremate him





Old 01 February 2010, 11:56 AM
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I can't be sure but I don't think a structure made out of iron sheeting would last 2 minutes against a hurricane force wind. Actually living in one would be pretty awful because of lack of light and excessive temperatures. The sides would get so hot that they would be untouchable. But,yes, they could be used to keep dry and perhaps for sleeping at night with some security.

And someone is going to have to supply quite a bit of timber to erect the things.

My suggestion would be to use recycled interlocking plastic building panels which are weighted down and have a roof design to prevent high winds ripping them off.

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Old 01 February 2010, 12:37 PM
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this can be sorted very easily, we cant we use dried out weetabix,

that stuff doesnt want to move what ever its attached to
Old 01 February 2010, 12:38 PM
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Scaffolding pipes would be a better bet.
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