stevebt

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Looks like the motorist is going to keep paying, these suggestions will come law as the government needs to claw as much money back as possible. Especially if we have to pay the bankers thier bounes


BBC News - Motorists face new £15 'victims levy'

Felix.

Oh dear..

You could just not do anything illeagal

Aaron1978

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Its a joke, yes you shoudn't break the law but if the courts made people pay their fines/compensation then they wouldn't have to tax people more that do pay theirs. So because of their inability to collect compensation they punnish people that pay their debts. Why not increase the punnishment and reduce the crimes being committed? oh because that woudn't bring in money would it

r32

The people who commit crimes where there is a victim should be made to compensate their victim.
But I suppose with a rate of about 4% for crime solving this is an easy way out. It isnt extra compensation for victims its so HM Gov can save a few more million, so yes, it is a tax, so why not f****ing call it a victims tax and be honest?

alcazar

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You know, I could go with this, except for the fact that ONLY those who get fined pay it.

So all the anti-social crimes that HAVE victims, but are punished with community service, supervision orders etc etc, DON'T have to pay it, while speeders etc DO!

And Lying Labour ministers who talk about so-called victims of speeeding, are just a fukcing joke

r32

Apparently there are a thousand serious assualts each week which are dealt with by a caution. No fine, no record no payment to their victim, yet pass a camera a few mph over the limit or have your wheel over the line and you pay. Surely we need to remove these people from office?

Aaron1978

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I'd never heard of this victims fee before, i recently got caught speeding on the motorway 6.45am sat morning completely empty bar the odd car. Get caught and in the report the PC put no other traffic on at the time of the offence, anyway i get a £15 victims fee. I really coudn't believe i'd affected the PC that much by driving towards him that fast

Felix.

Assaults dealt with by cautions are often because the victim refuses to coperate with police and hence can not go to court.

The whole system needs re-vamping. The amount of money spent on legal aid, benefits etc is un believable.

Mind you, the amount of times I have given out fixed penalties and have been laughed at "IS THAT ALL IT IS - I'LL PAY DOUBLE IF YOU WANT" makes you think is it high enough

alcazar

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That's just bravado.

And "Mock the thieving tax-gatherer"

Seriously, guy, if you want to be the modern day highwayman, expect to have the p*ss ripped.

DJ_Jon

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I don't mind them raising taxes this way, but be honest about it & how about scrapping the 3 points. I'd rather pay a £100 fine & get no points than a £60 fine & 3 points.

Wishful thinking I know....

Aaron1978

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While i would never say that Felix, i woud have payed triple the amount of £60 to avoid points. And thats because the money part IMO doesn't deter people. Punnishment should be harsher because anyone that can't pay either doesn't or gets to pay £2 a week or something daft, those that can aren't bothered about £60. Which goes back to its just easy money, if the goverment was that bothered about speeding why not just an instant ban for being over?

Aaron

Terminator X

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Is there anything that is still legal

TX.

Aaron1978

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yes come into this country uninvited and stay as long as you want, plus this gives you the right to drive without a license insurance tax and Mot, as long as when your caught you report to a police station in your own time to recieve a caution! Of course if you don't turn up don't worry about it as they have more important things to do like catch legal drivers who will pay up

Lee247

Another one How many more taxes are there to take. It is beyond a joke now.
I found this interesting little list, as it says, read it and weep

Garbagegate - A Stealth Tax Compendium

Lee247

Oh and apparently 3605 new laws (new ways of making us criminals)

Diesel

They take the biscuit this lot! Raise fines - fine (sic) then apply the law properly and properly prioritised - great! BUT take an extra £15 off a motorist who has not commited a criminal offence (or in all likelyhood done anyone any harm) in order to fund victims of proper crime like rape and murder and it makes my blood boil to be placed in such a 'scheme'.

Is it really too much hard work that they tackle real criminals and punish and persecute them rather than making lame excuses to harras and milk the ordinary decent and poorly served citizen more?

Bunch of... that always do what is easiest rather than what is right. No nmorality on their side for this one.

D

Felix.

I know, but it does get on my wick though !!!!!!

The way to do it is to revamp the whole system of how the government gives money out to the judicial system rather than just increasing things to gain money. The jail system is a joke and too easy and the fact they have their own personal solicitors at their beck and call paid for by us - makes my blood boil

Luminous

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This tax also strikes me as another form of social engineering. Try to imply that speeders, bad parking etc cause victims. Its to try and turn opinion against the motorist even more, clearing the way for higher charges to come.

Firstly the victim surcharge, then higher fines then more tax. If you keep calling things something different to what they are you can slowly increase the tax take considerably.

At least there is an election soon....although I have no idea who to vote for

Glowplug

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Can't see the problem.

Don't wanna pay the fine, don't do the f'in crime, simples ffs

Just do it properly and double all fines

Luminous

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Sounds good on the face of it, until you realise that the people who should be paying the fines normally get off scot free. However, the people who for 364 days a year are perfect saints, but then make a little mistake will pay the tax.

If they just increased the fine then I think I would side with you. However, calling it a "victim surcharge" which is supposed to be only levied on serious offences is just unreasonable. I prefer a little more honesty in my politics. Such as "the fines are too low and not sufficient a deterrent, hence we are increasing them".

That would be being honest, and it would not involve a debate change and messing around with various rules. It would not need a whole load of extra administration costs. Keep the system as it is, just charge more...simple honest, effective and does not waste money.

Oh, and cut the benefits of people who "cannot afford to pay" fines.

Glowplug

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Point taken, and I agree 100%

Felix.

I agree to that

I'd vote for any party that will do that

Glowplug

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I hear it's in the BNP's manfesto???!!!!

Luminous

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Wow, I have rallied two supporters

Could this be the start of an election campaign

Glowplug

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Crack on

Luminous for PM

Aaron1978

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+2

SunnySideUp

Entirely voluntary this payment - commit no crime, make no payment - simples ....

alcazar

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Honesty? From Lying Labour? muahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Don't forget that THIS is the party that lied about diesels being more severe polluters than cars, in order to get tax up on diesel, instead of just saying that they were losing money because so many people had diesels You know, like the French government did?

THEN they conveniently forgot about the BIGGEST polluters running around our town: old buses, vans and lorries Driven behind an old bus lately?

Don't waste yout time waiting for honesty from Labour............ever

cster

Let's turn this one around.
If the only penalty for speeding were demerit points on your license, do you think there would be as much interest in catching those exceeding the speed limit?

Terminator X

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More & more trivial stuff is against the law though ... doubtless every day you break the law & just don't get caught

TX.