If I steal from a shop, then get caught.. can I...
13 May 2009, 10:05 PM
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If I steal from a shop, then get caught.. can I...
pay for it and then it will all be ok??
It's only what these MPs seem to be doing paying back their 'expenses'!!!!
how does it differ from stealing from a shop?
It's only what these MPs seem to be doing paying back their 'expenses'!!!!
how does it differ from stealing from a shop?
13 May 2009, 10:13 PM
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all the more for people to VOTE next time, if you don't vote you can't have a moan.
13 May 2009, 10:13 PM
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It's not stealing if it's permissible by the rules/the law.
The issue is greed and the exploitation of the system for all you can get rather than what you are actually entitled to.
If your company had a lunch allowance while away of £30, decent people (or those who don't think they could get away with it) wouldn't claim £30 without receipts and good reason because they're accountable to their boss.
These dicks repaying it are only rubbing salt in the wounds, they shouldn't have claimed it anyway but being able to write a check for 40 grand to save their careers is despicable.
The issue is greed and the exploitation of the system for all you can get rather than what you are actually entitled to.
If your company had a lunch allowance while away of £30, decent people (or those who don't think they could get away with it) wouldn't claim £30 without receipts and good reason because they're accountable to their boss.
These dicks repaying it are only rubbing salt in the wounds, they shouldn't have claimed it anyway but being able to write a check for 40 grand to save their careers is despicable.
13 May 2009, 10:19 PM
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what he said, From memory
A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.
Due to age old definitions like that they will never be a legal case.
A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.
Due to age old definitions like that they will never be a legal case.
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13 May 2009, 10:45 PM
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It is also not theft if it is totally within expense guidelines.
Where there may be a case is where an MP claims for mortgage relief on a mortgage that has been repaid. That is fraud.
Where gardening expenses are allowed (which they are) then having a claim to clear out the moat (if you have one) is stupid but within the guidelines.
Paying your brother to clean your house is debateable, but maybe he does a really good job!
Where there may be a case is where an MP claims for mortgage relief on a mortgage that has been repaid. That is fraud.
Where gardening expenses are allowed (which they are) then having a claim to clear out the moat (if you have one) is stupid but within the guidelines.
Paying your brother to clean your house is debateable, but maybe he does a really good job!
13 May 2009, 11:28 PM
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The pigs with their noses in the trough saw an easy way to get things for free and grasped it with both hands and exploited it to the max, typical behaviour of the underhanded greedy shower of **** running this country now!
13 May 2009, 11:37 PM
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I'm not going to say too much on this subject as it makes my blood boil.
The amount of people struggling to make ends meet, keep their homes, keep their jobs, pay the bills. The list is endless.
This lot are living the life of Riley at our expense.
It beggars belief
The amount of people struggling to make ends meet, keep their homes, keep their jobs, pay the bills. The list is endless.
This lot are living the life of Riley at our expense.
It beggars belief
13 May 2009, 11:42 PM
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I think I'd better go to bed and hide before Lee kicks my ***! 
14 May 2009, 11:37 AM
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It's not stealing if it's permissible by the rules/the law.
The issue is greed and the exploitation of the system for all you can get rather than what you are actually entitled to.
If your company had a lunch allowance while away of £30, decent people (or those who don't think they could get away with it) wouldn't claim £30 without receipts and good reason because they're accountable to their boss.
These dicks repaying it are only rubbing salt in the wounds, they shouldn't have claimed it anyway but being able to write a check for 40 grand to save their careers is despicable.
The issue is greed and the exploitation of the system for all you can get rather than what you are actually entitled to.
If your company had a lunch allowance while away of £30, decent people (or those who don't think they could get away with it) wouldn't claim £30 without receipts and good reason because they're accountable to their boss.
These dicks repaying it are only rubbing salt in the wounds, they shouldn't have claimed it anyway but being able to write a check for 40 grand to save their careers is despicable.
And it is stealing by any moral ethics whatever they say to try to wriggle out of it.
Paying it back is a craven admission of guilt and that they are frantically trying to avoid the sack!
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14 May 2009, 12:23 PM
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It is not actually permitted by the rules if you read the bit about their claims having to qualify according to certain terms, ie not upsetting the rest of us etc.
And it is stealing by any moral ethics whatever they say to try to wriggle out of it.
Paying it back is a craven admission of guilt and that they are frantically trying to avoid the sack!
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And it is stealing by any moral ethics whatever they say to try to wriggle out of it.
Paying it back is a craven admission of guilt and that they are frantically trying to avoid the sack!
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14 May 2009, 12:51 PM
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If I had claimed for disallowable expenses, as a self employed person, on my tax return the Inland Revenue would go back 6 years to check everything was in order.
Why are the MPs expenses only being check for the past four years?
Not double standards again is it?
Why are the MPs expenses only being check for the past four years?
Not double standards again is it?
14 May 2009, 12:57 PM
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The one who claimed 16k for mortgage interest even though he had no mortgage should be done for fraud as there was nothing really to claim for in the first place, at least the others have used the money {in a way} not that it is right of course.
14 May 2009, 01:17 PM
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yes he is a muppet -- if he had any sense he would have re-mortgaged the property, then with the released equity bought another property or just invested it in cash savings
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I agree, the others have acted dishonestly but within the rules, Morley though he just plain defrauded us, if you or I did this we could go to jail. He must be made to face the consequences of his actions