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Old 13 May 2009, 12:58 AM
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Red face The new head of Religion for the BBC is...

... yes - a muslim!

Now, there's a surprise

"Aaqil Ahmed has been appointed to the new joint role of Head of Religion and Ethics and Commissioning Editor for Religion TV. "

BBC - Press Office - BBC announces new Knowledge Commissioners

Totally predictable but IMHO also totally unacceptable. England is still, so far as I know, a Christian country.
Old 13 May 2009, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 22BUK
... yes - a muslim!

Now, there's a surprise

"Aaqil Ahmed has been appointed to the new joint role of Head of Religion and Ethics and Commissioning Editor for Religion TV. "

BBC - Press Office - BBC announces new Knowledge Commissioners

Totally predictable but IMHO also totally unacceptable. England is still, so far as I know, a Christian country.
Hmm, I think it's good level headed and educated (english/western) muslims are getting jobs in all the different sectors.

I would say you are being racist/prejudice but I agree with you because how can a person of one faith be a head of religion thereby speaking for other religions?

Okay fair play this chap is probably well educated in other religions but I think it gives the wrong message as expressed by 22BUK.

They should have either put in a neutral person or had several people representing the most common and popular faiths in the UK for a balanced view... numpties
Old 13 May 2009, 01:42 AM
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I have nothing against Aaqil Ahmed or Islam. My complaint is against the BBC for making such an appointment.

Can you imagine a christian being made Head of Religion on Iranian TV, for example?
Old 13 May 2009, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 22BUK
Can you imagine a christian being made Head of Religion on Iranian TV, for example?
Only in a fictional movie
Old 13 May 2009, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by finalzero
Only in a fictional movie
A novel involving world war III.
Old 13 May 2009, 08:34 AM
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Well they tend to be more fanatical


- you dont want yet another pen-pushing middle england layabout do you
Old 13 May 2009, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 22BUK
... yes - a muslim!

Now, there's a surprise

"Aaqil Ahmed has been appointed to the new joint role of Head of Religion and Ethics and Commissioning Editor for Religion TV. "

BBC - Press Office - BBC announces new Knowledge Commissioners

Totally predictable but IMHO also totally unacceptable. England is still, so far as I know, a Christian country.
England is only a 'Christian country' in theory. The number of practicing Christians is actually not much greater than the number of practicing Muslims.

This isn't supposed to be a religious appointment is it, it's an editorial role. I can't understand why you get your knickers in a twist over this.
Old 13 May 2009, 09:15 AM
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For pity's sake who give a damn what religion he is. The role doesn't require him to be a Christian or a Muslim or of any religion for that matter, i.e. it's irrelevant to the job. Now if he had been appointed Archbishop of Canterbury just maybe you would have a point, but this just isn't worth getting upset about.
Old 13 May 2009, 09:24 AM
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the PC brigade are hanging out of this one today on NSR.
Old 13 May 2009, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
the PC brigade are hanging out of this one today on NSR.
We can't all be racists
Old 13 May 2009, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
the PC brigade are hanging out of this one today on NSR.
Are you getting logic and common sense confused with political correctness?
Old 13 May 2009, 09:49 AM
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Not too sure having a Muslim in this role is a bad thing really, we have had enough Christians (i guess) over the years. It will be interesting to see how he gets on and what sort of programming we get.
Old 13 May 2009, 09:59 AM
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If I got the position of Head of Religion the first thing I would do is ban all religion from BBC or whenever a documentary / film is made about Christianity / Islam / Judaism etc I would insist they refer to Jesus or Mohammed of whoever as 'the alledgedly true' and the a warning should be issued stating 'believing in what you are about to see or hear may or may not make you a fcukwit in the eyes of world'

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Old 13 May 2009, 10:06 AM
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This is still officially a Christian country, but that is sinking fast these days with the lack of religious education. Its a pity in a way because the country used to be far more law abiding and people were far more pleasant and helpful towards each other because they followed those sorts of ideals. I see nothing wrong in that. Of course I will be castigated for saying that and I know that you don't have to be brought up as a Christian to live a good life. I am merely stating a fact about life in this country as I know it used to be.

It is to be expected from a PC plonking lefty organisation like the BBC to appoint a Muslim to be joint controller of religious affairs since they do suck up to our leaders in order to keep safe their franchise.

Personally however, I don't think it is any real problem on the face of it, what matters is how good he is at his job and time will tell of course. It would be wrong to show bias in one direction or the other and it may even do some noticeable good.

Les
Old 13 May 2009, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
England is only a 'Christian country' in theory. The number of practicing Christians is actually not much greater than the number of practicing Muslims.

This isn't supposed to be a religious appointment is it, it's an editorial role. I can't understand why you get your knickers in a twist over this.
Please could you quote the source of those numbers you quote Martin.

Les
Old 13 May 2009, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
We can't all be racists
The BNP wouldn't get anywhere with that sort of attitude.
Old 13 May 2009, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Please could you quote the source of those numbers you quote Martin.

Les
Will be interesting to see if this takes into account the 750K-1mil Illegals, not saying all are Muslim at all i just wonder, how this would appear as part of the overall Muslim head count, i guess the figures being people though the doors of Mosques. Same questio really re christian illegals. I do wonder if ther are any fugure, realisticaly i guess not due to the nature of them being illegal immigrants.

A lot of the illegals are from the ME, Africa, Eastern Europe etc and often countries which are predominantly muslim - not on a witch hunt.
Old 13 May 2009, 10:36 AM
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About time the New Labour propaganda machine known as the BBC was dismantled for good.

It’s hard to imagine a more parasitic and pointless organization than it.
Old 13 May 2009, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Please could you quote the source of those numbers you quote Martin.



Les
Well I'm on a train with a fairly useless internet connection so searching for stuff is going to take forever.
The census data is the best source though (i believe). From memory about 6% of 'Christians' stated that they regularly attend church. There are about 2 million muslims of whom the vast majority regularly attend a mosque, so if you do the math you'll see that it is not a big difference.

Hope that helps
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I think thats a wee bit of a white lie as i have never ever seen an empty church carpark on a Sunday.
Old 13 May 2009, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Well I'm on a train with a fairly useless internet connection so searching for stuff is going to take forever.
The census data is the best source though (i believe). From memory about 6% of 'Christians' stated that they regularly attend church. There are about 2 million muslims of whom the vast majority regularly attend a mosque, so if you do the math you'll see that it is not a big difference.

Hope that helps
Yes all understood Martin. I have no figures myself, but there is a very good attendance at our local church anyway.

How can you afford to be on a train?

Les
Old 13 May 2009, 12:49 PM
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Could have been worse, they might have employed Prof. Richard Dawkins

Old 13 May 2009, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
How can you afford to be on a train?

Les
I recon he is a NL MP - it is bound to be first class and 'on expenses' Les;
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Yes all understood Martin. I have no figures myself, but there is a very good attendance at our local church anyway.

How can you afford to be on a train?

Les

No Kidding!

£224 return from London to Leeds!!!
For a train that was 30 mins late and a rubbish internet connection
Old 13 May 2009, 02:25 PM
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Does this mean 'Songs of praise' will be replaced by 'Rants of jihad'?
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As the draconian, outdated BBC is underwritten by the UK Government and as the UK Government is allegedly a secular state, I believe the Head of Religion should have no potential for bias, therefore should not conform to any religious groups.

Not that I fully understand what his job entails, still, this to me seems the logical answer.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
This is still officially a Christian country, but that is sinking fast these days with the lack of religious education.

Les
Not sure if you know or not, but the 'amount' of religious education has increased, but professional bodies such as the National Association of Teachers of Religious Education (NATRE) and the Religious Education Council of England and Wales abandoned, in the 70s, its main aim of nurturing pupils in to the Christian faith.

It is coincidence that since then we have seen massive technology achievement like no other in history, now that children are more focused on Science?
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Originally Posted by Tam the bam
Does this mean 'Songs of praise' will be replaced by 'Rants of jihad'?

Well, that would make the hymns easier to remember:

Alllllah, alllah!

Kinda like the old Skoll (sp?) beer advert.

I'm all for it!
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Well I'm on a train with a fairly useless internet connection so searching for stuff is going to take forever.
The census data is the best source though (i believe). From memory about 6% of 'Christians' stated that they regularly attend church. There are about 2 million muslims of whom the vast majority regularly attend a mosque, so if you do the math you'll see that it is not a big difference.

Hope that helps
No offence, but not really. Even if all Muslims go to Mosque, then that means we have 2 million Muslims. You have stated 6% of Christians say they attend Church, but that is only of any use if we know 6% of what? 6% could possibly be higher than 2 million in terms of numbers, might not be, but could.

Also, just because someone doesn't regularly attend Church, doesn't mean they are not Christian anymore, so far as I'm aware it isn't compulsory to go to church each week.

Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
I recon he is a NL MP - it is bound to be first class and 'on expenses' Les;

That'll be the gravy train then

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